I am interested if anyone could shed some light on citizenship/resident requirements in relation to National/USMS relay records. Is it possible for a record setting relay with one or more members of that relay, not being a US citizen(s) or even a resident(s), to be recognized as such?
Former Member
Well if you have a National Record that a foreigner owns its not really an "American" record is it . Call it what it is. The best time done by someone in the country is either done by an American or by a foreigner, but a foreigner can not technically hold an "American" record as he is not an American citizen.
Sounds like an easy solution to me. Have 3 instead of 2 distinctions as Paul indicated.
- World records
- US or American Records
- US Open Record
John Smith
Thanks Michael for the thorough explanation. When I was on the FINA site I must have been reading the rules reguarding the other aquatic disciplines. Unfortunately I know where that is on there site but the FINA site is down for construction.
From what you are providing and what Paul Smith said of his Austrialian experiences, its different for every country about the eligibility, registration, and invitation to compete. I always thought that FINA had a rule for the member federations to extend privileges to compete to any FINA member in good standing. Again, I might be confused with the other rules for the other aquatic disciplines.
Its kinda of strange about the lack of consistency. Especially making someone register to swim even if they are a registered swimmer in good standing from another FINA member federation. And then excluding foreigners from competitions altogether.
I wonder if there is any chance they will ever adopt the rules of the other aquatic disciplines. This sounds very exclusive.
A bunch of comments about what is being said here:
A swimmer swims for a club FINA HANDBOOK MGR 3 Individual entries shall only be accepted from person representing clubs. No swimmer or team may be desinated as rerpresting a country or Federation. A swimmer could swim for clubs of different federations, unless there are federation rules against it. Sometimes joining two different federations is so that one can swim in local/national swim meets of other counties. Some countries will only let swimmers of their country compete.
An invitation is a procedure so that a swimmer may get a visa. No club may issue an invitation, it can only be handled by that National office. You do not need an invitation to compete.
" Especially with Worlds bringing about 10,000 people into town!" I dont think we will get that many; maybe 6000 swimmers 8500 over all. But I would like to be surprised.
"This is a FINA sanctioned meet, so it's not like foreign swimmers will be able to break USMS records (unless they are USMS members, that is)." It is not a FINA sanctioned meet. It is a Pacific Masters Swimming sanctioned meet for United States Masters Swimming. (the main reason for sanctioning has to do with insurance). It is the XI FINA World Masters Championships. While one may set a USMS record, the organizing committee will fill out the proper paper work for whatever is needed for the swimmer, I do not think that the breaking of an USMS record will be announced, but that would be a decision of the FINA Masters Committee. I have asked the Committee to consider having meet records, but that will be up to the FINA Masters Committee and them maybe the FINA Bureau.
USMS records are under the Rules section of the Rule Book. This is a legislation year, any rules change would require (1) a vote by the Rules Committee that this is an emergency (2) a vote of 90% of the House of Delegates that this rule should pass. As USMS rules say a USMS record can only be set by an USMS registered swimmer, this would mean that we could have world records set at a USMS sanctioned meet, but they would not be USMS records. (that would be the same for relays, as records are set by teams and to be a member of a USMS team, you must be a member of USMS).
The last FINA Bureau meeting was in Montreal, the next one is in Shanghai in April. The FINA Masters Committee is meeting in Palo Alto in November, then will meet again in Palo Alto in August of 2006. There will be a FINA Masters Congress in Palo Alto or Stanford in August of 2006.
michael
