How many yards a practice do you swim?

Perhaps somebody has a self-esteem problem. Why else would a person feel the need to belittle anothers swim time? I know that my times are not in the top 25%, heck they are probably not in the top 50%, but I don't really care. I have fun, I stay fit, and I am not the slowest guy in town. What more could I ask for?

OK...butting in here....here's my .02, for whatever it's worth! I think there's definitely a fine line between being proud of your times and sharing them with others and then bragging about them and using them to pump up low self esteem and insecurity and to use it as a bashing tool. There is a particular person who comes to mind who swims at my club...he is almost constantly bragging about not only his times in meets, but his times during timed sets! He'll actually ask everyone around him during a timed set what their times were. What makes this even more annoying is that he sandbags during practices...he refuses to lead on a set (especially a distance set) when he is clearly faster, then swims on your toes. Grrrrr......:mad:

Originally posted by Conniekat8 Sure you are, that must be why you bonked at nationals and can't figure out why. That reminds me, you should take up boxing. Put your best qualities together, overtraining and figting with people. You'd do much better there then in swimming. That's one place where someone wanting to fight all the time is actually appreciated. And in your 40's, you can still make elite ranks. I think you have a better shot there. That's what you have to say to my technical post? Jealousy of someone who looks and is better, and grammar errors (40's is wrong in English, 40s is right, I taught you this before). Your post is looking for a fight. OK then, you get the fight. You didn't risk to race in Mission Viejo any individual event. You quit, you ducked the stepping on the blocks and risk to test yourself. You had no guts and failed more than the participants. When you can swim (like yards in 2005), you are much slower than me. Me against you, that's not a race. This culture erased possibilities of beauty and courage and shapes you as a flabby instead. Think if people who make an achievement in being attractive, are flabby. In contrast, sometimes I don't do well for my personal standards. But that's me against me. The highest race. For example, my 1500 free in Mission Viejo was in 22 minutes, it is a C time for me but still ranks #33 in my age group in 2005, and by society's standard that's something. For me, no, that's not good enough. But that's just me. Against me. You are a hypocryte because you will never reach 22 minutes in 1500 free Long Course but still attack it from your lower standards.

Originally posted by gull80 I guess a related question (sorry to get back on topic) would be: What should be the relative percentages of En1, En2, and En3 sets (aerobic, anaerobic threshold, and overload endurance) at a Masters level? I think it's difficult to adequately distribute these swimming 3-4000/workout. Craig, you do like Maglischo's Swimming Fastest, don't you? Maglischo says that for events up to 60 seconds, the aerobic glycosys accounts for 10%. It's 65% anaerobic threshold, 25% ATP-CP creation in anaerobic, 10% aerobic. .) Anaerobic threshold is: distance sets of repeats of two minutes swims in base minus five seconds, in lactic acid. .) ATP-CP creation in anaerobic is: breakouts, burst sprints repeated every up to 30 seconds. .) Aerobic is: long moderate swims on base using the lipolytic and glycolytic energies. I think it can work for events up to two mintes also, like 200 free. You can design workouts of 65%, 25%, 10% over a week, and over a season. Pieter van den Hoogenband (Ned.), the World Record holder in 100 meter free, trains in less than 6000 meters per day of speed, power, anaerobic and aerobic according to Maglischo's formula (and not TI's Stroke Length) of 65%, 25%, 10%, here: www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/.../200310-01st_art.asp Craig, remember me.

Originally posted by Ion Beza That's what you have to say to my technical post? Jealousy of someone who looks and is better, and grammar errors (40's is wrong in English, 40s is right, I taught you this before). Your post is looking for a fight. OK then, you get the fight. You didn't risk to race in Mission Viejo any individual event. You quit, you ducked the stepping on the blocks and risk to test yourself. You had no guts and failed more than the participants. When you can swim (like yards in 2005), you are much slower than me. Me against you, that's not a race. This culture erased possibilities of beauty and courage and shapes you as a flabby instead. Think if people who make an achievement in being attractive, are flabby. In contrast, sometimes I don't do well for my personal standards. But that's me against me. The highest race. For example, my 1500 free in Mission Viejo was in 22 minutes, it is a C time for me but still ranks #33 in my age group in 2005, and by society's standard that's something. For me, no, that's not good enough. But that's just me. Against me. You are a hypocryte because you will never reach 22 minutes in 1500 free Long Course but still attack it from your lower standards. You obviously have never run a big swim meet and have no clue the level of energy it takes. The exhaustion from running something like this is incredible, and I would have been surprised if Connie had swum since she was helping make sure that everyone else had the chance for a good swim. And I would bet money she will get under 22. Her rate of improvement is incredible.

Originally posted by Ion Beza Craig, you do like Maglischo's Swimming Fastest, don't you? Maglischo says that for events up to 60 seconds, the aerobic glycosys accounts for 10%. It's 65% anaerobic threshold, 25% ATP-CP creation in anaerobic, 10% aerobic. .) Anaerobic threshold is: distance sets of repeats of two minutes swims in base minus five seconds, in lactic acid. .) ATP-CP creation in anaerobic is: breakouts, burst sprints repeated every up to 30 seconds. .) Aerobic is: long moderate swims on base using the lipolytic and glycolytic energies. I think it can work for events up to two mintes also, like 200 free. You can design workouts of 65%, 25%, 10% over a week, and over a season. Pieter van den Hoogenband (Ned.), the World Record holder in 100 meter free, trains in less than 6000 meters per day of speed, power, anaerobic and aerobic according to Maglischo's formula (and not TI's Stroke Length) of 65%, 25%, 10%, here: www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/.../200310-01st_art.asp Craig, remember me. Thank you for this post. I have read Maglischo, but he is so technical, I have to read him again and again and again. This answers several of our questions.

Yes, all coaches seem to throw a lot of aerobic in at the beginning to build up the base. I think every coach has their own little way of doing things, and it may not eaxctly follow Maglischo's model, but still is effective. I have also seen some swimmers not respond at all to this model and need something quite different to be good. We had a HS girl the last 4 years like that. She responded to less is better I think, and the other kids all thought she was not a hard worker. Yet she hit some National times in the 200 back, so she must have been doing something right!

originally posted by Gull80 I guess a related question (sorry to get back on topic) would be: What should be the relative percentages of En1, En2, and En3 sets (aerobic, anaerobic threshold, and overload endurance) at a Masters level? I think it's difficult to adequately distribute these swimming 3-4000/workout. That is a very good question. I have been looking over my workout logs (which I have been very behind in posting on my training blog BTW.....sorry Ande I will catch up soon I promise). I have estimated that on most workouts in which we swim around 7500 meters, that approximately 55% of the workout is at anaerobic threshhold and about 45% of the workout is warmup and aerobic base....We also do Lactate overload sets on certain days (which I think is pretty much the same thing that Ion has referred to ATP-CP in his last posting....only our coach just uses a different term for it?).....but we rarely do Lactate Overload sets on the same days that we do a lot of anearobic threshhold sets.....He mixes the workouts up so that we pretty much alternate between workouts that are more aneorobic Threshhold sets and workouts that are more Lactate overload sets.....since the lactate overload sets usually consist of shorter distances (like sets of 25's, 50's or 100's) with a lot of rest in between, we don't do nearly as much of the yardage in practice for these sets as the anearobic threshhold sets (which are usually 200's or 300's...sometimes 400's)....A typical Lactate overload set might be (6x 50's fast on 3:00 with a 50 easy in between each one...followed by 4 25's fast ...then a 200 easy) x2 ...or x3.....sometimes you can replace the 50's with 100's......He likes to follow something like the above with a set of 6 50's or 6 75's fast with lots of rest...only doing your best stroke other than freestyle. Usually the actual yardage for these lactate overload sets only account for 10- 20% of the entire workout.....the rest is mostly aerobic base with maybe a set of 10 x 100 kick at anearobic threshhold squeezed in there somewhere just to mix it up a little....So all in all we seem to be "kinda" following something like the Maglischo formula that Ion mentioned....but not exactly...we do a lot more aerobic than just 10% and not quite as much anearobic threshhold as in the Maglischo formula.....But as the season progresses maybe the workouts will change some and fit the formula from Ion's post better?...I think our coach wants us to build a strong aerobic base during the beggining of the season...and that's the reason for the higher percentage of aerobic sets....but then again I'm only guessing about that? Newmastersswimmer

Originally posted by Ion Beza As for your telling me of being emaciated, you and many are chubby and too soft, weaklings. Me I am strong. Sure you are, that must be why you bonked at nationals and can't figure out why. Originally posted by Ion Beza Look at the International Boxing System. That reminds me, you should take up boxing. Put your best qualities together, overtraining and figting with people. You'd do much better there then in swimming. That's one place where someone wanting to fight all the time is actually appreciated. And in your 40's, you can still make elite ranks. I think you have a better shot there.