Did anyone see the new Gary Hall, Jr Barbarsol commerical. It is about time swimmers get some good endorsements besides Speedo and the other swimming apparel companies. Madison Ave has really come a long way in the last few years. You would never see a swimmer in a commerical a year after the Olympics before. It is nice to know that all the endorsements aren't going to Phelps even though the boy more than deserves whatever endorsements he get. I mean Phelps is out of this world.
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I'm a cardiologist. As for Gary Hall (and other diabetics), I believe that insulin is performance-enhancing only to the extent that it keeps him alive, replacing what his pancreas can no longer provide.
Ande,
You are right. Insulin (IFG1), Human Growth Hormone, THG (The Cream), EPO....... They were all mentioned as having tremendous affects on performance.
Dead Fish..... I am the Good Smith because Paul Smith is the Evil Smith who beats me in my prized 50 freestyle.
Gull80..... honestly...... tell us more about Insulin if you are a doctor and leave Gary and diabetics out of it. Are you familiar with the positive effects of non diabetic athletes who use it to grow muscle strength..... i.e to cheat?
John Smith
Thanks Raz,
I stand corrected..... its not called "the cream"... its called "the clear". Sorry......
John Smith
Interview excerpt:
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"Conte said he gave her a substance called "the clear," which was later determined to be THG, EPO and insulin. He also showed her how to inject hGH into her leg."
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Originally posted by ande
here's the balco / marion jones/ doping SI article and insulin is in the list
sportsillustrated.cnn.com/.../
Ande Did she use these things, I don't think so, not guilty.... "... Mr. Conte is simply not credible. We challenge him to submit to the same lie detector procedure that Marion Jones passed."
IGF and insulin is not the same drug.
IGF Is "insulin like"
However insulin is highly anabolic.
Have none of you heard of Sir Roger Bannister?
Being a type I didn’t set him back much.
And that was in 1954.. treatment has come along way.
John, I think you need to differentiate the use of insulin in a Type I diabetic from a nondiabetic (say an athlete trying to gain some benefit) with normal insulin production. Type I diabetics under ordinary circumstances have difficulty regulating their blood sugars; Gary is training at an elite level, consequently the process is several orders of magnitude more complex. Mistakes can be disastrous (hypoglycemia leading to convulsions vs. hyperglycemia resulting in ketoacidosis). Suggesting that he can achieve a performance enhancing benefit (other than staying alive) from insulin indicates a lack of understanding of the disease.
Gull 80.... I am fully aware of the effects of diabetes. My mother is Type II.
My question to you was on non diabetics athletes use of insulin as well.
Geochuck...... wake up and smell the coffee dude. I suppose you think Flo Jo died of natural causes and Michelle Smith's urine was spiked by someone out to get her and cycling is a EPO clean.
Dude.... Victor is the real thing and he was way ahead of the agencies that test for drugs.
Dead Fish, thanks for clarifying the difference.
John Smith
