I am SOOOO Mad!

Originally posted by gull80 Starbucks heats their steamed milk to 160 degrees (or higher), apparently hot enough to cause third degree burns. They also sell pastries high in carbs and calories, which when consumed in excess (and in the absence of regular exercise) can contribute to obesity. Forget about personal responsibility. Someone has to put a stop to this before more innocent people are harmed. I had dinner the other night at Outback Steakhouse and they gave me this big sharp knife. I think they should keep the knife and have the employees cut the steak into bite sized pieces in the kitchen before bringing it to me. I can't be trusted not to cut myself and they should protect me from myself.

Originally posted by aquageek I also propose a ban on V02Max shampoo. Using it could cause you to be super speedy, misjudge your flip turn and bonk your head on the wall. I know for a fact Ellison produces this stuff in his basement late at night and probably doesn't have product liability insurance. Heck, I don't need VO2Max shampoo to bonk my head on the wall. I've done that a couple of times without it.:o I've come up short of the wall too (couldn't reach it with my feet to push off).:o :o

Gosh, don't thank me..... Mr. Moose wrote that post....but, I'll be happy to pass that along....

You are right about insurance…..the company is called, “The Uninsured VO2 MAX Shampoo Corporation of America” Ralph insures Mr. Moose with a large Moose Policy that covers improper road crossings and eating Mrs. Magillacutty’s Garden, but other then that, neither Mr. Moose, Ralph or myself are insured. Hey, they can take the rock if they want…..

Originally posted by botterud I'd venture that the insurance carrier while collecting huge premiums demands that the Y eliminate that activity, and others, to reduce it's own risk and build profits . . . all the while blaming trial lawyers. The perception that insurance companies arbitrarily collect huge premiums is as far fetched as thinking it is McDonald's fault for serving hot coffee to people who spill it on themselves. If you knew even the first thing about insurance, you'd understand how premiums are rated and subsequently charged. Premiums are based on risks, experience and costs associated with those risks. Rates in most states are state approved for most lines of business, hence the office of Insurance Commissioner. Also, as a trial lawyer, what is among the first things you do when suing someone? You send a request to their insurance carrier for policy limits. Often makes me wonder how many people without insurance you sue. You'd almost have to agree that your livelihood depends solely on the existence of insurance, huh?

Originally posted by Scansy Heck, I don't need VO2Max shampoo to bonk my head on the wall. I've done that a couple of times without it.:o I've come up short of the wall too (couldn't reach it with my feet to push off).:o :o How many more swimmers must be injured by pool walls before something will be done about this? And don't try to argue that aquatic facilities aren't aware of the problem. As for Mr. Coffee, why hasn't there been more publicity of the fact that the darn thing produces hot coffee?

I am out of here, the point was made, if some want to ignore the extra 60 degrees of temp then so be it ! The nearest McDonalds is an hours drive from here, so my kids are growing up with no idea of McDonalds. This is something that really, really pleases me. The drawback of this location is that my nearest Starbucks, which i love, is also an hours drive from here. :(

Originally posted by gull80 How many more swimmers must be injured by pool walls before something will be done about this? And don't try to argue that aquatic facilities aren't aware of the problem. I think I will start an organization that supports the ideas of pools without walls.

McDonalds deliberately and cynically serve coffee that is far too hot. I have ordered coffee from McDonalds, this was 3 months after they lost the case in question. About 2 mins after sitting down with my meal i took a sip and burnt my tongue, it was super hot. Go into a McDonalds today and it is still served at a very high temperature. Many times i have defended the courts decision there to others who have not understood what it was about. In the case of a wilfull and continued disregard for others, a punishment that makes the company take notice is needed. Punitive damages have to be a large amount to make the company pay attention, $50,000 is meaningless to them $2.6 milion is not. It is my understanding that the policy is to have super hot coffee to discourage people from staying too long in the restaurant. They do not want anyone to actually drink it. The Y is right to restrict use of diving blocks. Without a coach to supervise their use, you could really only set them up at one end of a lane and make that lane a one way direction. You cannot have the danger of someone swimming into the dive zone. When you dive, track or grab start there is a period of time, 1 - 2 seconds just before you take off, when you are looking straight down. In this time a person could easily move into the area that you will dive into. You may be happy to take the risk but what about the person you could collide with ?

Originally posted by Scansy pools without walls. Oceans? :)