In the spirit of calmer, more reasoned discourse- I hope to start a swimming-related one that nevertheless could get our juices flowing. Namely, let's get out on a real limb (before U.S. trials) & fearlessly predict results of Olympic events. You may choose as many or few to predict as you wish- and in a few months some of us may look very swimming-wise or perhaps foolish.
I will wade into it with the event that has been thrown open by Ian Thorpes poor sense of balance, the mens 400m free:
The winner is Perkins of Australia in close to world-record time.
Supplementary prediction: there will be no American on that podium.
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Originally posted by Mark in MD
If Spitz' record is broken, consideration should be given as to where and how Ellison will be eating crow. Will it be at 2005 SCY Nationals and would he have it baked, stuffed, broiled, BBQ'd or fried? There's an abundant supply of them in my back yard. They never seem to miss my car either. :p
Maybe some dip and a few Cow Chips?
www.roadsideamerica.com/.../OKBEAchip.html
or if he's nice, we'll let hiom have this version:
www.stc-dfw.org/.../627.htm
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If Spitz' record is broken, consideration should be given as to where and how Ellison will be eating crow. Will it be at 2005 SCY Nationals and would he have it baked, stuffed, broiled, BBQ'd or fried? There's an abundant supply of them in my back yard. They never seem to miss my car either. :p
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Originally posted by Mark in MD
... would he have it baked, stuffed, broiled, BBQ'd or fried? ...
How about fresh - kinda like sushi - feathers and all!
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Liked that recipe, Connie. Perhaps we should consider baking some and send them to Tom.
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Originally posted by Mark in MD
Liked that recipe, Connie. Perhaps we should consider baking some and send them to Tom.
Maybe add a "special ingredient"?
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Originally posted by Tom Ellison
I do not think ANYONE IN MY LIFETIME will EVER, EVER, EVER bust Spitz's 7 Golds in the same Olympic Games....it's not going to happen....TRUST ME!
And, if it does...I'll eat crow....Just do not get to keen on going out to buy the BB's....... because you are not going to have to shoot the crow for me to eat in our lifetime........aint going to happen....never, ever....And never, ever is a really long time....Heck, that is even older then my ex-mother in law.....
Does this include women? Coughlin **would have** done it if the Olympics were 2 summers ago.
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:::Perhaps we should move this discussion onto the Olympic predictions thread. I don't necessarily disagree with Lefty's prediction of US victory in the 400 free relay but merely wanted to point out the race will be CLOSE. Neil Walker has not improved his time in several years and while Jason Lezak did become a better sprinter post-Olympics neither swimmer is a sure thing to get that much better in the Olympic. Gary Hall has been out of serious training for quite some time and really has never done better than Kapralov with flat start. I think it extremely unlikely that Hall will swim faster in 2004 than 2000, even though he is an incredible talent. So where are the up and coming US sprinters beyond Crocker (who is still not the most consistent free sprinter LCM) and Phelps (granted is improving and is the X factor for the US). I see a VERY tight race in the 400 free unlike the Medley where the US should be able to win with some significant margin.
I copied and pasted and don't know the key strokes to do the quote thing correctly. The above was posted in "the fastest masters club ever" page for reference.In the past 12 months both Walker and Lezak have split sub 48. Walker at Dual in the Pool, Lezak multiple times. Hall is definitely training seriously, I am not sure where you got that info but it is inaccurate. Crocker hasn't been inconsistent; he just wasn't that good until last summer! But He and Phelps are still wildcards in the 100 free though so I won't count those chickens just yet. If both slip there is still Tucker. One point we agree on: The 400 free will be closer than the 400 medley. I highly doubt a world All-star team would be favored against the US.
In terms of upsets, (fearless predictions) I will stick with what I wrote before, the US will win the 800 free relay, and Crocker will win the 100 Free. Jenny T could win the 50, but not because of the logic presented here. Every swimmer in the final will be able to cope with conditions: they are all seasoned pros, even if some are only 18!
(If you watch college basketball, you will occasionally hear an announcer saying "that was a brilliant basketball play by the upper-classman." The next year in the NBA, the same player is accused of making "rookie mistakes." What, did the guy get dumber?) (Another beef, since we (me) are on them: Announcers who confuse notoriety with fame. *** Enberg does this ALL the time.)
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Crocker wins 100m fly. Jenny Thompson's win in 50m free comes from her talent, dedication and her race experience. I think the Athens scene will be hot & chaotic (hopefully not terrorized) & it will take more than a racer's routine poise to be a champion at these Games.
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I am going out on a limb and saying that Phelps will do it!:p If anyone can, it is him! Incredible talent! I just hope the facility is done and that there are no problems with security! GO USA:D
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Note: Ervin's retirement notice on swiminfo.
"Unexpected" predictions:
1) Phelp's loses 100 fly and 200 fly. These defeats will spur him on to beat Spitz's 7 golds by adding the 100/200 free to his list of events in 2008.
2) Phelp beats Peirsol in the 200 back and also gets gold in the 200/400 IM. His margin of victory in the IM will be "Spitz"-like and the comparisons/debate will continue until 2008.
3) Someone other than Moses or Kitjima wins the 100 ***
4) Hansen wins the 200 ***
5) Coughlin wins "only" 1 individual gold medal
6) US Men win all three relays for the first time in a long time thanks in large part to Mr. Phelps and Mr. Crocker