Dubai - proposed changes

I have been so busy with the XI FINA Masters World Championships, I have not been able to report some of the other things that I learned at the FINA Bureau meeting in Dubai last month. One of the great things about going to the meetings is the ability to develop personal relationships with the members of the Bureau. On Saturday afternoon, the Bureau meetings were finished. I was walking through the lobby of the beautiful Fairmont Dubai, at one table was Cornel Marculescu, FINA Executive Director, Bill Matson and Dale Neuburger, our FINA rep. I got called over to them and we talked about the championships to be held at Stanford. After a couple of glasses of wine, somehow the conversation got on the topic of evening out the competition. I told them that when I was in high school in San Francisco, they had a system of exponents for teams and a person could have no more than x amount of points (points were given for age, height and weight). This way you could have a basketball team of people of about like physical ability playing the game. Bill Matson said that FINA Masters Committee was looking at differenciating the records. The FINA Bureau wants to be more inclusive and the ability to have more records. When you have different types of records more people can go after them.- it will create more excitement and maybe more people will want to swim Masters As FINA is divided into different geographical segments North America, South American, Europe, Asia and Pacific the FINA Masters Committee will be recommending that the records be kept for those areas. (I thought I heard that this was being proposed by the French who wanted there swimmers to be able to get international recognition – there best women Masters swimmers are in the same age group as Laura Val). Dale said that the US is been opposed to this and that he and June Krauser have been working to keep it in committee, but it looks like he does not have the votes to keep it there. The US thinks that there should be only one set of records and in the current format. He also said that there is going to be “super category” of Masters records. Masters Masters (age 40-59) and Senior Masters (60+). Cornel said that Walt Reid, who keeps track of all the International Masters Records, while initially opposed to the idea, has developed the software to handle all the new data that will be coming in. Dale said FINA Masters will be recommending that the Federations have new categories for swimmers who were not age group swimmers (he thought this was marketing than from the competition committee). I laughed and said yea – right – the next thing you would do is to keep records on the BMI (Body Mass Index Scale). Cornel said that was considerd but they would like to see some other changes made first. Bill said that all that is left to do is that it has to pass the FINA Masters Committee. They will be meeting in Riccione, Italy just before the X FINA Masters World Championships. (Dale thinks that the French and Europeans have the votes to get it through). After it passes there, it will go the the FINA Congress (In past years, it met at the same time as the Olympics, but starting with this Congress, it will meet at the World Championships). Anyway, that is what I learned at Dubai. And thought you might like to know. michael
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    Don't forget to mention those of us who are the "shorest swiimers out there" to quote Cynthia. We take more arm strokes per length need to be considered in a special category.
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    A few short years ago I posted my thoughts on FINA and I got filleted! After reading your post Michael, I still stand by my impressions of FINA…if they really are advocating these categories, they really do need to get a serious life….
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    It is April Fools you know....and if we are having our chains yanked....I have a serious hook in my mouth...
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    Well Gosh, maybe the FINA International Top Ten Time I swam in 2000 at age 50 (19:44.08) in the 50-54 age group, 1500 SCM Free (9th place) should get updated to maybe first or second place due to the fact that I have swam as a Masters Swimmer all there years with an artificial right hip and hepatitis C, from the 40 pints of blood it took to save my life in 1977...after being crushed under a 28 ton dump truck. Hey, great new age/swimming group...Swimmers who have been crushed under 28 ton dump trucks... Michel, I AM NOT directing this toward you, or USMS’s hard working reps to FINA....I am simply pointing out how completely absurd this is...and I mean obsurd!
  • It seems to me that we could reduce the number of records instead of increase them. We could establish factors for age, weight, height, years of training, gender, and health. Everyone would then get a new calculated Cumulative Factor, or CF every year at registration. They would then multiply their times by the CF. For instance a 70 year old woman, 5 foot tall, 140 pounds, who has been training for 3 years, but had colon cancer 3 years ago, might get an index of 0.55. If the woman does a 40 second 50 free, that equates to a 22.0. A 25 year old man, 6 foot tall, 200 pounds, who has been training for 10 years, and is in excellent health, might get an index of 1.0. He would have to swim under 22.0 to beat the 70 year old woman. Using CFs, we could eliminate records for gender and age groups.
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    Michael - I heard that they were talking about adding some more accessible events. These included, of course, 25 meters, but also kick events, side stroke, and old-timers events (these include old style rules such as the requirement of a hand touch on all free style turns.) At the other extreme, the Australian lobby is trying to add 1500 meter back and ***, and a representative of Rinconada is trying to add 1500 m fly.
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    I hope they do a grandfather clause on the BMI. It has been less than two years since I got down to this weight!
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    Originally posted by swimr4life Some other categories for fun: Women who have had 1 child Women who have had 2 children Women who have had 3 children, etc..... Part-time workers Full time workers Stay at home moms Stay at home dads Smokers Non-smokers Drinkers Non-drinkers Overweight swimmers Ideal weight swimmers Underweight swimmers Swimmers over 5'5" Swimmers under 5'5" The possibilities are endless. We could fix it to where every swimmer could create their own category so they too could hold a record! I'm being serious! Don't fix it if it is not broke. The records are fine the way they are kept now! I wonder how many swimmers would be in my category, the overweight, under 5'5, non-smoking, full time worker with two children category. Why do I get the feeling that this is one big April Fools Joke. Just like the snow I saw outside my classroom window today.
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    Hopefully this is all a JOKE! If not, we are falling right into the "Let's make everyone feel good" so they can go out in the real world and get crushed, and have a reason to become the next Ted Bundy and blame it all on someone else! :confused:
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    Originally posted by Tom Ellison Hey, great new age/swimming group...Swimmers who have been crushed under 28 ton dump trucks... It would seem to me that for an early bloomer, being crushed by a 28 ton dump truck would "level the playing field," in a manner of speaking, when competing against a late bloomer. It certainly can't help your VO2max, but then again, I'm no doctor. . .uh, actually I am. Impressive 1500, Tom.