Dubai - proposed changes

I have been so busy with the XI FINA Masters World Championships, I have not been able to report some of the other things that I learned at the FINA Bureau meeting in Dubai last month. One of the great things about going to the meetings is the ability to develop personal relationships with the members of the Bureau. On Saturday afternoon, the Bureau meetings were finished. I was walking through the lobby of the beautiful Fairmont Dubai, at one table was Cornel Marculescu, FINA Executive Director, Bill Matson and Dale Neuburger, our FINA rep. I got called over to them and we talked about the championships to be held at Stanford. After a couple of glasses of wine, somehow the conversation got on the topic of evening out the competition. I told them that when I was in high school in San Francisco, they had a system of exponents for teams and a person could have no more than x amount of points (points were given for age, height and weight). This way you could have a basketball team of people of about like physical ability playing the game. Bill Matson said that FINA Masters Committee was looking at differenciating the records. The FINA Bureau wants to be more inclusive and the ability to have more records. When you have different types of records more people can go after them.- it will create more excitement and maybe more people will want to swim Masters As FINA is divided into different geographical segments North America, South American, Europe, Asia and Pacific the FINA Masters Committee will be recommending that the records be kept for those areas. (I thought I heard that this was being proposed by the French who wanted there swimmers to be able to get international recognition – there best women Masters swimmers are in the same age group as Laura Val). Dale said that the US is been opposed to this and that he and June Krauser have been working to keep it in committee, but it looks like he does not have the votes to keep it there. The US thinks that there should be only one set of records and in the current format. He also said that there is going to be “super category” of Masters records. Masters Masters (age 40-59) and Senior Masters (60+). Cornel said that Walt Reid, who keeps track of all the International Masters Records, while initially opposed to the idea, has developed the software to handle all the new data that will be coming in. Dale said FINA Masters will be recommending that the Federations have new categories for swimmers who were not age group swimmers (he thought this was marketing than from the competition committee). I laughed and said yea – right – the next thing you would do is to keep records on the BMI (Body Mass Index Scale). Cornel said that was considerd but they would like to see some other changes made first. Bill said that all that is left to do is that it has to pass the FINA Masters Committee. They will be meeting in Riccione, Italy just before the X FINA Masters World Championships. (Dale thinks that the French and Europeans have the votes to get it through). After it passes there, it will go the the FINA Congress (In past years, it met at the same time as the Olympics, but starting with this Congress, it will meet at the World Championships). Anyway, that is what I learned at Dubai. And thought you might like to know. michael
  • Tom, you are truly an inspiration to us all. PLEASE DO NOT LET THE RIDICULOUS OPINION OF ONE OBNOXIOUS INDIVIDUAL KEEP YOU FROM US! It takes a lot to make me angry....but I've had enough! ION, crawl back into the hole you came from. I was really enjoying this forum,as were many others, until you came back. How DARE you insult Tom. He has never been cruel to you. He is one of the only posters on this forum that stands up for you. He is a kind, generous soul. Look what all his life has handed him. Is he bitter? NO Is he cruel to others because he has had his tough times? NO Is he making the best of his life without feeling sorry for himself? YES! Is he encouraging others and promoting Masters Swimming to everyone possible? YES! Does he have a POSITIVE ATTITUDE? YES! Why do you enjoy coming and stirring up controversy and anger. Hurting others while trying to make some obscure, ridiculous point that no one cares about. You are entitled to your opinions but not to be hateful, hurtful and just plain MEAN! I can already predict how you will respond to this. You will tell me to use my ignore button. You'll look up some obscure quote to prove some random point contrary to something I just said. You'll cut down USMS or my beloved country...or the south. I'm very tired of you RUINING this forum. If you can't contribute to the forum in a positive way, why do you participate. Do you enjoy hurting people? You are a MEAN,MEAN MAN! My advice to everyone. Don't waste your time trying to change Ion. HE WON'T CHANGE!
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    Aquageek: Protagonist? I think the literary term for the character might be "agent provocateur." What do you think?
  • To further the distinction between Tom and that other guy... A while ago, I had started a thread to celebrate Tom's... um... unique sense of humor. :D He wrote back, saying he appreciated it, but wanted to keep a low profile. I don't know Tom, beyond that sense of humor that I've noticed in these posts. That e-mail was the first time that I had heard of Tom's condition. (I remember previous posts about a nagging hip, but I did not realize the severity.) When I read that, I was thinking, this is the sort of story that needs to be told, overcoming real obstacles. But in his humility, Tom only wanted to go back to swimming hard, and competing with others on equal footing. We all have excuses about why we don't swim faster, but Tom, bless his soul, concentrates on what he can do, instead of what he can't.
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    Originally posted by gull80 Apology accepted. I have a pretty thick skin anyway. By the way, will you be swimming in Raleigh May 1? I was thinking about swimming the 1000. . . Didn't you say something about wearing a clown suit? I'm saving a lane for him.
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    Ion, I accept your clarification of my perceived insult from you. I also sincerely apologize for the grief you have taken here today, which in part, is based on my reaction to your post. My intent was not to humiliate you or berate you. Please for your sake and for everyone else’s sake on the forum, think very carefully as to your choice of words before posting. MANY, MANY people took your post as I first did, so my initial perception had to have basis. Have a nice weekend….and we will talk on the forum next week…. Kindest regards, Tom Ellison
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    _______________________________________________ Originally posted by Ion Beza Tom's and the above challenges fell under obscurantism in USMS. _______________________________________________ Gosh, I think I have just been insulted...but...I am not sure or clear on the why...or reason behind this insult. Ion, please explain your point. Kindest regards, Tom
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    With all due respect Tom, I see no need to apologize. This was really just a continuation of an ongoing debate that jumps from thread to thread. Speaking for myself, I don't believe I was giving Ion grief, but I was challenging his point of view (which he expresses in a very direct and confrontational manner).
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    Aquageek Quote: "I got called a fat, bad skinned, swamp dwelling, NASCAR loving, slow swimming and ignorant Southerner ...." Hey Geek, is your sisters name spray painted on the side of the high school....? If it is not, then your an upper class southerner...:D Aquageek: The Elmer Gulespie of USMS.....;)
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    Craig, I appreciate what you’re saying and I do not have a problem with your posts…and I respect your thoughts on my apology to Ion. I attempted to lessen the beating he took today partly due to my misunderstanding the thrust of his post. I read the entire thread this-evening about three times. I honestly believe his lack of sophistication with the English language gets him into trouble as much as his inability to back away from a post he may have been in error. Anyway, I didn’t want the guy going into the weekend feeling like the entire USMS community was hacked off at him. I just do not see malice in him, I see some other issues that are none of my business and my previous posts are clear in the manner in which I have attempted to reach out to him. Hey, I make mistakes just like the next guy, and I may have misunderstood his post and wanted to make sure I admitted that to him and everyone else. Have a great week everyone….I will be on the road driving back east this weekend for job possibilities. I may not have the opportunity to post for a period of time, so you all take care and be nice to one another… As always, Kindest regards, Tom Ellison
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    Farewell, Mr. Ellison. Your friend, Old Dog