I have been so busy with the XI FINA Masters World Championships, I have not been able to report some of the other things that I learned at the FINA Bureau meeting in Dubai last month.
One of the great things about going to the meetings is the ability to develop personal relationships with the members of the Bureau. On Saturday afternoon, the Bureau meetings were finished. I was walking through the lobby of the beautiful Fairmont Dubai, at one table was Cornel Marculescu, FINA Executive Director, Bill Matson and Dale Neuburger, our FINA rep.
I got called over to them and we talked about the championships to be held at Stanford. After a couple of glasses of wine, somehow the conversation got on the topic of evening out the competition. I told them that when I was in high school in San Francisco, they had a system of exponents for teams and a person could have no more than x amount of points (points were given for age, height and weight). This way you could have a basketball team of people of about like physical ability playing the game.
Bill Matson said that FINA Masters Committee was looking at differenciating the records. The FINA Bureau wants to be more inclusive and the ability to have more records. When you have different types of records more people can go after them.- it will create more excitement and maybe more people will want to swim Masters As FINA is divided into different geographical segments North America, South American, Europe, Asia and Pacific the FINA Masters Committee will be recommending that the records be kept for those areas. (I thought I heard that this was being proposed by the French who wanted there swimmers to be able to get international recognition – there best women Masters swimmers are in the same age group as Laura Val).
Dale said that the US is been opposed to this and that he and June Krauser have been working to keep it in committee, but it looks like he does not have the votes to keep it there. The US thinks that there should be only one set of records and in the current format.
He also said that there is going to be “super category” of Masters records. Masters Masters (age 40-59) and Senior Masters (60+). Cornel said that Walt Reid, who keeps track of all the International Masters Records, while initially opposed to the idea, has developed the software to handle all the new data that will be coming in.
Dale said FINA Masters will be recommending that the Federations have new categories for swimmers who were not age group swimmers (he thought this was marketing than from the competition committee). I laughed and said yea – right – the next thing you would do is to keep records on the BMI (Body Mass Index Scale). Cornel said that was considerd but they would like to see some other changes made first.
Bill said that all that is left to do is that it has to pass the FINA Masters Committee. They will be meeting in Riccione, Italy just before the X FINA Masters World Championships. (Dale thinks that the French and Europeans have the votes to get it through). After it passes there, it will go the the FINA Congress (In past years, it met at the same time as the Olympics, but starting with this Congress, it will meet at the World Championships).
Anyway, that is what I learned at Dubai. And thought you might like to know.
michael
Former Member
And MArk, since your thread last fall coaxed me into going to Nationals, I am there. The psych is posted which scares me and also thrills me. Be nice to me, this is my first Nationals!
And man are those ladies in my age group fast!! Can't wait to watch, I think I am there more to watch then swim. :)
Originally posted by Tom Ellison
Please forgive my demented sense of humor! I couldn't help myself...
I dunno what to do first...
peel myself off the floor laughing
or
wipe the laughing tears off my face!
And my abs, my poor abs, I think I need some IBS ointment to soothe the burning.
HELP, I'm laughing, and I can't stop! :D :D :D :D
Actually, Ion, I've supported your position a couple of times and agree with you in this thread to a certain point. I'm not going back to find your exact words, but when you say you want more people to understand/recognize/how ever you phrased it-- challenges, not create categories for it, I agree. I believe that there are folks who write off a disability as something that isn't real; that it is used to get an unfair advantage. People are more likely to recognize a disability that they can see, and poo hoo those they can't. Having said that, Ion, you aren't disabled and really haven't done anything, another person, in your position couldn't do. Your carping about lack of recognition of those who have overcome challenges is a thin veil for "I want everyone to recognize what a superman I am". I do applaud your effort and drive though, some might have just given up.
Originally posted by Tom Ellison
yea, but I get a gold star....:D
ESPECIALLY WHEN I AM A GOOD BOY....
Conniekat8:
Pins a Gold Star on Tom's ..... chest.
Connie (Look of absolute shock) Where is mine? I used VO2Max Shampoo, VO5 Conditioner and am a Late/Early/Mid Bloomer with uh uh uh uhm one arm shorter then the other!!!!:D
Originally posted by mattson
To be fair:
1) A lot of people were baiting Ion in this thread, before he replied. While it was done in humor, I wasn't surprised when it came back to bite you all in the backside. ;)
2) Ion has posted (in a thread from last fall) what he wanted Swim Magazine to print. About half were of personal interest to him, the other half were points which I believe Swim magazine has covered in the last few months. (As a counterpoint, getting Ion to produce the list, instead of more insults at USMS/Swim magazine, was like pulling teeth. :) )
3) I think it is fair to say that stories about people losing weight, do not interest Ion. He has stated many times about how most swimmers are "lazy and fat". He probably feels there are too many stories about these sort of people, instead of "slim and strong" people like himself.
I do find it interesting that Ion assumes that, just because someone has an advantage of swimming in age group, that they are lazy.
You know, by the same logic, I could pound on Ion, and say that since he's been athletic in his youth, he has an unfair advantage. he doesn;'t seem to have had to overcome certain genetic issues that I have. Whouldn't be right, would it???
That's just the thing with Ion, he wants to be appreciated, but does not appreciate anyone or anything, at least he doesn't come across like he does. Perhaps somewhere deep down inside he does, but doesn't know how to show it. If he wants more recognition and praise and acceptance in his life, that's what he needs to work on. Learning how to get it, rather than wasting his time demanding it.
Originally posted by dorothyrd
I did not know that, so since I have no advantage, I am not lazy. Actually it is true, I am not lazy, but do lean toward the fat side(especially if I don't swim), blows that theory!
Yeah, I've beed diagnosed with endogenous obesity in my 20's... basically, genetic.
When I learned that, I went to work, and got from beiong well over 100 pounds overweight to being withing 0-40 pounds of my goal weight for last 12 years. I'm one of those very few people that kept it off. Went from a size 22 to size 2 and a bikini.
Not a single excuse as to why "I can't"
And, it wasn't easy.
The best thing I got out of that, and some other challenges, is not physical condition... it's the fact taht I know that no matter what life throwes at me, I'll end up on top. I can say, I can do anything I set my mind to.
:p
Originally posted by tjburk
Connie (Look of absolute shock) Where is mine? I used VO2Max Shampoo, VO5 Conditioner and am a Late/Early/Mid Bloomer with uh uh uh uhm one arm shorter then the other!!!!:D
Pins a Gold Star on tracy's ..... lapel.
Man Connie, I only dropped 4 sizes and it cost me a fortune to replace my clothes(14-8). 22-2 is incredible!
For someone who has never had to fight the battle of weight, it may seem insignificant, but it is one of the hardest things that many, many people do, lose weight and then keep it off.