Fastest "Masters" Club Ever!

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Call me an old fashioned cynic, but Gary Hall's oh so exclusive "Race Club" seems to generate more amusement than intimidation. To review the bidding for those with real lives, Mr. Hall announced a few months ago his intent to form his own club dedicated to elite swimming. It has a fabulous location and training facility in the Florida Keys. It will cover travel, training and living expenses. (I'm tempted to ask who is fronting the money, but I won't denigrade Mr. Hall's ability to raise funds.) If you want to join them, send in a resume; don't call us; we'll call you. Let us look over your accoplishments and decide whether you are worthy. Hmm, great facilities, don't have to share pool time with the non-world class members (i.e. 99%) of a Swim Club, just about all expenses paid. Unless you have your own lucrative endorsement deal, what swimmer wouldn't want to join this team? Well, the initial members of the "Swim Club" were announced last week. www.swiminfo.com/.../6097.asp Eight Olympians sounds real impressive. But then you look at the list a little more closely. Eleven swimmers, and although I have not googled everyone of them, all of the ones I have googled are in their late 20's or older. Or in other words, 3 of the 11 swimmers are chronologically at the back end of their careers, and they have not yet made their nation's Olympic Team. Closer scrutiny reveals 10 of the 11 are men. Just about all of them swim the 50 free or 50 fly, and few of them seriously compete in anything other that the 50 or 100 free or fly. In contrast to the lack of age, gender and event diversity, the team does have members of many nationalities and ethic backgrounds. However, the most telling stat of all is that roughly half of the members I checked are not currently ranked in the World Top 20 Rankings, LCM or SCM, in any event. Overall, the "Swim Club" sort of reminds me of the kind of team a rookie fantasy league coach would assemble--there are a lot of names you would recognize, but their most productive years may be behind them. To be fair, all of these folks are amazing, world-class swimmers. Their careers to date have been awesome, and they remain extraordinary today by any standard, except arguably World Rankings. In contrast, I am an opinionated loud mouth. I would be delighted to see them find new speed and light up the scoreboards next year with medals and records, and make a complete monkey of me. As of right now, I think may the "Swim Club's" gloss may have exceeded its actual capabilities. Matt
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    Pretty sure it was Hall and Sabir, Ciarla is pretty small compared to those to. Although I watched them on Saturday too, so maybe I am getting it all mixed up in my head. I know Hall for sure because he walked right by me to go to the blocks. Maybe Hall and Ciarla, because Race club was behind the first 50 and Ciarla is not near as fast as Sabir. Sabir is very fast, and fun to watch.
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    Originally posted by Tom Ellison Gosh, that depends on who you ask....Hey Dork Man..tell him how many we are....No.... Honest it is just me.... Is not.....is to, not, to... Ah heck...ask all of us and we will tell you how many we are.... WILL NOT.... Will everybody in there please raise your hand and count off!:)
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    It doubt it was Hall swimming -- I saw him standing on deck, in street clothes, just before the heat.
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    Originally posted by dorothyrd Pretty sure it was Hall and Sabir, Ciarla is pretty small compared to those to. Although I watched them on Saturday too, so maybe I am getting it all mixed up in my head. I know Hall for sure because he walked right by me to go to the blocks. Maybe Hall and Ciarla, because Race club was behind the first 50 and Ciarla is not near as fast as Sabir. Sabir is very fast, and fun to watch. Maybe they just jumped. Historically speaking, Ciarla is actually faster than Sabir in the 50. Just not in this meet.
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    In 1998, probably the last time they raced in a 50 yard race, Aaron beat Sabir by .02 - 19.47-19.45 Sabir's times were really really fast. There is NO WAY he was tapered for this meet. 42.9 in the 100 - that is probably his best time ever. You can't read to much into yard swims, but man, I think he has a solid shot at making the Olympic team. 49 low should sneak into the 6th place spot (Walker, Phelps, Hall, Lezak, Crocker should all be under 49, but then there is a little drop off)
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    It's just me in here.... Me to.... Hey, I'm in here to.... so am I..... Shhhh...he doesn't know me..but I am here to....
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    Are you sure, Hall walked right by me in his suit right before that heat. I was standing about 10 feet down from the starter. Sure looked like Hall to me. Anyone else see this race?
  • Originally posted by NKMD Great meet everyone. And congrats to Nadine Day who made it into Swim as one of the Masters swimmers of the year. Read her accomplishments for 2003 and you will be mighty impressed (the magazine came in the mail today for me)! Nice job. And, oh yeah, checking the results from Indy she won all her events there, too :)
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    Originally posted by Phil Arcuni Well, I know that. So what rule prevents a relay, the youngest of whom is 25, from swimming in the 19-24 age group? Is it explicitly stated that they can't? From the rulebook. 102.3.2 Relay Events A Short Course (25) yards 19+ 25+ 35+ 45+ 55+ 65+ 75+ 85+ 95+ .. (10 year increments as high as necessary). The age of the youngest relay team member shall determine the age group. Relay teams must swim in the oldest age group for which they are eligible. That's all there is. I think the last line precludes your situation.
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    Thanks to both of you. The rule looks pretty clear.