TI Question...heard this and doesn't sound right...

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I am teaching a stroke clinic class at the YMCA. My background is USS competitive swimming (ages 8-18) and some age-group coaching. One of my students, a triathlon trainer, has been to Total Immersion. Because of his TI training, he is doubtful of any stroke correction I am giving him. Basically he has the typical problems of a short stroke...entering too close to the head and not pulling thru. The TI triathlete is telling me that the TI "Fish" style swimming technique says the hand should enter the water just in front of the head, then reach forward. In my opinion, he needs to lengthen his stroke, rotating and reaching as far forward as possible, entering out front (not by the head). I am thinking he is mixing up some TI drill with proper freestyle SWIMMING technique. He at least agreed with me when we talked distance per stroke (and started believing I know something about swimming)...but I don't see how you can maximize DPS with hand entry by the head. Can someone shed light on this for me? What is this "Fish" swimming in a couple sentences? And where does TI say the hand entry should be? Thank you!! P.S. I'm new here and enjoying reading...I swim masters and hope to compete in butterfly someday...I'm waiting it out until I get a bit older so can face the competition. My butterfly has held out better than my other strokes (used to be a long distance freestyler too). P.P.S. I did a search on TI and read some of the posts but they didn't quite get to my specific question above.
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    1) Ion - you said: Very dramatic rotary, kayak style, swimmers who "...are not putting their hand in right by their head..." because they swim with straight -not bent- and fully stretched arms above the water, are Michael Klim (Aus.) -who is second fastest man in history in 100 meter free at 48.18- and Inge de Bruijn (Ned.) -who is the fastest woman in history in 100 meter free at 53.77-. My question is: Are you saying Klim has a straight arm recovery like Janet Evans? I can't picture his stroke at the moment. 2) Is there a corelation between TI Advocates and TI Adversaries and competitive swimming background? It seems TI works very well for the Triathletes and newer swimmers. How about current and/or former competitive swimmers? Do the TI coaches usually have a competitive swimming background? 3) Matt S. - thanks for the long response. I have to admit though, that it was a bit confusing. To clarify, the Triathlete in my class has a hand entry just in front of the head (I never said by his ear)- he is not reaching far out front to maximize the length of his stroke. Why are people coming out of TI with this confusion on one of the most basic parts of the stroke ("reach forward, catch, pull thru")? Sorry I have to ask the tough questions. This is a great discussion! :cool:
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    1) Ion - you said: Very dramatic rotary, kayak style, swimmers who "...are not putting their hand in right by their head..." because they swim with straight -not bent- and fully stretched arms above the water, are Michael Klim (Aus.) -who is second fastest man in history in 100 meter free at 48.18- and Inge de Bruijn (Ned.) -who is the fastest woman in history in 100 meter free at 53.77-. My question is: Are you saying Klim has a straight arm recovery like Janet Evans? I can't picture his stroke at the moment. 2) Is there a corelation between TI Advocates and TI Adversaries and competitive swimming background? It seems TI works very well for the Triathletes and newer swimmers. How about current and/or former competitive swimmers? Do the TI coaches usually have a competitive swimming background? 3) Matt S. - thanks for the long response. I have to admit though, that it was a bit confusing. To clarify, the Triathlete in my class has a hand entry just in front of the head (I never said by his ear)- he is not reaching far out front to maximize the length of his stroke. Why are people coming out of TI with this confusion on one of the most basic parts of the stroke ("reach forward, catch, pull thru")? Sorry I have to ask the tough questions. This is a great discussion! :cool:
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