American swimmers taking steriods

Originally posted by Peter Cruise ... ...efficacy of creatine, ginseng & other stuff both organic & pharmaceutical- most shared the opinion that if it "works", why not try it. ... Let's just compete & let training, technique & talent win the day (luck is a wildcard). I think there is a distiction between legal and illegal products, as defined on the Olympic list, distinction that Masters can follow: a) creatine, ginseng, green tea, blue algae, kava, L-Glutamine a H.g.h. secretagogue, omega-3 fatty acids, fishoil, etc., these are not on the Olympic list of banned enhancers; they are legal dietary supplements, like the vitamin C is; also, they are like the fat ingested at restaurants, but unlike that fat, they make the good diet of an athlete in training; b) the Olympic list of banned enhancers, is made of steroids, including steroids that the veterinary give to racing horses (for example Clenbuterol -and a German top runner was banned in the late 1990s for it, according to the newspapers-, Equipoise, 19-Norandrosterone -found in the positive test by Vencill, discussed in this thread-), H.g.h. and E.P.O.; these products are on the banned list, because they are medically unaccepted for human consumption as of 2003, not because it is unethical in general to take dietary supplements -allowed in a)-; improvement in swimming performance by use of banned enhancers given to horses, that's further proof of what I claim when I post that swimming is mostly a VO2Max (i.e.: cardiovascular) conditioning sport, as opposed to mindless technique -much in vogue around here- preached by unkept physical slobs; In the footsteps of a): ................................... Angel Martino (U.S.), got medals in the 1996 Olympics, with documented use of creatine; myself, I briefly tried creatine at the end of the summer of 1999, didn't like it since I want my body not to become a stranger to myself, and I discarded it since; somebody where I train, wanted to come to the 2003 Short Course Nationals -but finally didn't make it because of lack of finances-, was talking about being comfortable in re-starting to take creatine, and I saw the person -focused over a few months- improving in workouts from 2:20 to 2:04 in the 200 freestyle. In the footsteps of b): ................................... at the high level of the Olympics and around that level or even at a lower level -I am not sure-, swimmers get caught on steroids when they seek best performances; the area of steroids, of H.g.h. and E.P.O., is one where I don't know more about than what is being printed in the news.

Originally posted by Peter Cruise ... ...efficacy of creatine, ginseng & other stuff both organic & pharmaceutical- most shared the opinion that if it "works", why not try it. ... Let's just compete & let training, technique & talent win the day (luck is a wildcard). I think there is a distiction between legal and illegal products, as defined on the Olympic list, distinction that Masters can follow: a) creatine, ginseng, green tea, blue algae, kava, L-Glutamine a H.g.h. secretagogue, omega-3 fatty acids, fishoil, etc., these are not on the Olympic list of banned enhancers; they are legal dietary supplements, like the vitamin C is; also, they are like the fat ingested at restaurants, but unlike that fat, they make the good diet of an athlete in training; b) the Olympic list of banned enhancers, is made of steroids, including steroids that the veterinary give to racing horses (for example Clenbuterol -and a German top runner was banned in the late 1990s for it, according to the newspapers-, Equipoise, 19-Norandrosterone -found in the positive test by Vencill, discussed in this thread-), H.g.h. and E.P.O.; these products are on the banned list, because they are medically unaccepted for human consumption as of 2003, not because it is unethical in general to take dietary supplements -allowed in a)-; improvement in swimming performance by use of banned enhancers given to horses, that's further proof of what I claim when I post that swimming is mostly a VO2Max (i.e.: cardiovascular) conditioning sport, as opposed to mindless technique -much in vogue around here- preached by unkept physical slobs; In the footsteps of a): ................................... Angel Martino (U.S.), got medals in the 1996 Olympics, with documented use of creatine; myself, I briefly tried creatine at the end of the summer of 1999, didn't like it since I want my body not to become a stranger to myself, and I discarded it since; somebody where I train, wanted to come to the 2003 Short Course Nationals -but finally didn't make it because of lack of finances-, was talking about being comfortable in re-starting to take creatine, and I saw the person -focused over a few months- improving in workouts from 2:20 to 2:04 in the 200 freestyle. In the footsteps of b): ................................... at the high level of the Olympics and around that level or even at a lower level -I am not sure-, swimmers get caught on steroids when they seek best performances; the area of steroids, of H.g.h. and E.P.O., is one where I don't know more about than what is being printed in the news.