I just competed (and I use the term loosely) in the 2003 National Senior Games and found it very disappointing to see that Master swimmers have pretty much taken over the awards platform. This event used to be mainly for recreational athletes who either could not or did not want to compete at a higher level. This was our opportunity to have a moment in the spotlight by competing against athletes who were “equal” to our level of skill. Our moment to believe we were the best in our group and to share our victories with our friends.
By coming to this event, you (the Master swimmers) have assured that no one who is a recreational athlete will ever get a medal and you have pushed the minimum standard time so low that many athletes no longer qualify to even come to the National event. In talking with over 85 athletes of various ages, it was generally agreed that within the next few years, this will be “just another Master’s venue”. You already have four National Events EACH YEAR, the SC Yards, SC Meters, LC Meters, and the YMCA Nationals. Why can’t you leave ONE event that takes places every OTHER year for the swimmers who will never be at any of your meets? Out of the 85 swimmers I spoke with, an overwhelming percent said they would probably not go to the event in Pittsburgh, PA since there would probably be more Masters there and no place for them.
I realize that this event is open to all seniors, but I ask you, how would you feel to have your only chance to win a medal taken away by someone who probably has a box full of them? If you look at the times, you will see that that the top three places in nearly all events went to Masters who all hold top 10 times in USMS. So the athletes, who are not Masters, had to settle for ribbons. There were so many disappointed families, friends, and swimmers who had hoped to win a medal and stand on the awards platform and share their shining moment with their families. Instead it was Masters and the majority of them didn’t even bring families. It was “just another meet” for them.
I’m sure I’m going to be made the “bad guy” by writing this, but my mother is 83 years old and watched her medal go to a Master swimmer and my heart broke for her. She may not be here for any future games and she really worked hard to do well, then you guys showed up. Please, leave the recreational National Event for us and be happy with your four events each year.
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OK. I'm converted. I agree there should be a limit to how good a swimmer can be and still participate in Senior Games.
Hmmm...Masters swimmers are not universally in the elite category - some are downright lame-duck slow - so simple participation in Masters couldn't be the dividing line.
And if you take a look at the USMS Top Ten for ages 50-105 you'll see that there is absolutely nothing approaching a level line across ability levels - heck, LOTS of the TT lists don't even HAVE 10 swimmers in them. So USMS Top Ten wouldn't be an equitable dividing line.
So we need to use some other standard to determine what ability level IS acceptable for SO competition. The SO/SG organizers would need to institute what amounts to a reverse time standard - "You cannot swim faster than X to be eligible for SO/SG competition."
But wait! I recall that swim2sea's mother WOULD have medaled if it were not for those selfish Masters swimmers. Hmm...that means she ain't no slouch herself. It would seem to me (and, possibly, to the people she beats) that to get a REALLY level playing field we should insist on setting the SO Reverse Time Standard (SORTS) low enough that she would be ineligible as well.
Maybe what we do is say that only those swimmers who have never medaled in any swimming event (Masters or SG/SO) in their current age group are eligible to swim in any SO/SG competition. And only those who DO NOT medal in a local SG/SO event may advance to the next level of competition. And if you DO medal at some point, you are ineligible for further SG/SO competition till you age up!
Yeah...THAT's the ticket!
Why am I getting visions of the "Masters should have a category for those who started swimming the same day Ion started swimming" thread?
OK. I'm converted. I agree there should be a limit to how good a swimmer can be and still participate in Senior Games.
Hmmm...Masters swimmers are not universally in the elite category - some are downright lame-duck slow - so simple participation in Masters couldn't be the dividing line.
And if you take a look at the USMS Top Ten for ages 50-105 you'll see that there is absolutely nothing approaching a level line across ability levels - heck, LOTS of the TT lists don't even HAVE 10 swimmers in them. So USMS Top Ten wouldn't be an equitable dividing line.
So we need to use some other standard to determine what ability level IS acceptable for SO competition. The SO/SG organizers would need to institute what amounts to a reverse time standard - "You cannot swim faster than X to be eligible for SO/SG competition."
But wait! I recall that swim2sea's mother WOULD have medaled if it were not for those selfish Masters swimmers. Hmm...that means she ain't no slouch herself. It would seem to me (and, possibly, to the people she beats) that to get a REALLY level playing field we should insist on setting the SO Reverse Time Standard (SORTS) low enough that she would be ineligible as well.
Maybe what we do is say that only those swimmers who have never medaled in any swimming event (Masters or SG/SO) in their current age group are eligible to swim in any SO/SG competition. And only those who DO NOT medal in a local SG/SO event may advance to the next level of competition. And if you DO medal at some point, you are ineligible for further SG/SO competition till you age up!
Yeah...THAT's the ticket!
Why am I getting visions of the "Masters should have a category for those who started swimming the same day Ion started swimming" thread?
