What's the best way to build endurance for 200 stroke events or mid to distance free?
some people at my pool tell me to do tons of repeats with only 5 sec rest if 25s, and only 10 sec rest if 50s or 100s.
this doesn't work for me if I'm doing stroke or IM. My form breaks down after not that many repeats and I have to add more and more effort only to get slower and slower. ( and get less and less rest - double whammy!)
i know some people will do 20-40 repeats of 25 at race pace to develop a 200 but what should be the work to rest ratio?
i also know there is a science behind all this. Different intervals to train creatine phosphate energy system (ultra short) anaerobic energy system, and aerobic. Sometimes I think it might be better to give myself longer rest, like 20 sec on a 50 stroke so that I have time to clear lactate and each 50 is cleaner. But how do I train my body to clear lactate more quickly so I can actually complete a 200 stroke with quality.
People say do lactate threshold sets, but again I don't know what that really means for me in terms of work to rest ratio, and what intensity of effort in the work part?
i just did a 200 fly as 3.46 even though I was able to pull off a total swim time of 3.28 as a broken swim in practice coming in under 52 per 50 @ 1:00. I didn't think that was much rest to make that much difference but apparently 8 seconds is too much to be realistic
i think i am I am beating myself up thinking I have to workout more and more to gain endurance but maybe I am just overtraining because I'm not making the improvements I'd like to see for how often I practice.
any suggestions for me?
thanks in advance!
I wish we had 20 secs. rest !!1 We usually do 50's with 10 secs. I will try the 20 x 50 sets this week after I show our coach this set list. Today we did 80 x 25 broken into sets of 10 starting at 1:05 and lowering each next 3 x 10 by 5 secs. any stroke that you wanted to do.
Had lots of time to start and then it worked into a good speed set.
Do a set of 9 strokes one day and a set of 8 another day and see which feels better and more sustainable for a 200. Play with it.
I was able to hit 10x50's at either :51 or :52 (my goal) at 9 strokes before failure, so I will definitely stick with that goal. It's worth the extra stroke each 25 to get my time down.
I was able to hit 10x50's at either :51 or :52 (my goal) at 9 strokes before failure, so I will definitely stick with that goal. It's worth the extra stroke each 25 to get my time down.
That seems pretty conclusive. It is also pretty impressive since you just started that way of training. Does it feel comfortable?
50's at :20 USRPT sets are definitely working to build endurance for my fly.
My first time trying it on 2/15 with a goal of 1:00:
58,57,57,1:02/ 56,58,58,1:00,59,1:01/59,1:01 = 12
My 5th time was today with a goal of :59:
57,55,55,55,55,56,,55,55,56,57,57,56,57,57 (14) /55,57,58,58,58,58 = 20
I didn't fail at my 14th; I was interrupted by the pool cleaning guy and missed my send-off.
Awesome! Are you swimming the 200 fly in a meet anytime soon? I would expect you to be able to somewhere around 3:50 based on that last set....probably a 54.something on the first 50, and average somewhere in the 58's on the last 3.
Awesome! Are you swimming the 200 fly in a meet anytime soon? I would expect you to be able to somewhere around 3:50 based on that last set....probably a 54.something on the first 50, and average somewhere in the 58's on the last 3.
Thanks!! I'm swimming in the Sewannee, Tennessee meet on Saturday and doing the "800 IM Challenge" (200's of each stroke). I'm also throwing in the 400 IM for my own "ironman pentathlon" and the 50 breaststroke for my last event. I haven't broken 4:00 in the 200 fly since March, 2014, and my PR is 3:52 from back in 2012. Even though I'm 55 now and slowing waaay down, I'm swimming more fly yardage per week than ever before. I'm hoping these sets will pay off with an all-time 200 fly PR this year.
Thanks!! I'm swimming in the Sewannee, Tennessee meet on Saturday and doing the "800 IM Challenge" (200's of each stroke). I'm also throwing in the 400 IM for my own "ironman pentathlon" and the 50 breaststroke for my last event. I haven't broken 4:00 in the 200 fly since March, 2014, and my PR is 3:52 from back in 2012. Even though I'm 55 now and slowing waaay down, I'm swimming more fly yardage per week than ever before. I'm hoping these sets will pay off with an all-time 200 fly PR this year.
Best of luck to you. I'm rooting for you to get that PR this year.
The one thing I see in that last set is how you banged out a lot of 55's/56's early. The good news is that it shows you have speed, but it's not good for helping you lock in your pacing.
It looks to me like you're ready to target :58 on your next practice, but you should try to be :57's every time, even if it means you have to hold back a little on the first 8-10. " Early throttle control" is a critical element of a 200 fly race, especially for us mortals. Practice it in the early parts of this set.
I wish we had 20 secs. rest !!1 We usually do 50's with 10 secs.
The difference is the speed, though. At 200 race pace, most people probably can't do more than 5 or 6 50's on 10 seconds rest.
Best of luck to you. I'm rooting for you to get that PR this year.
The one thing I see in that last set is how you banged out a lot of 55's/56's early. The good news is that it shows you have speed, but it's not good for helping you lock in your pacing.
It looks to me like you're ready to target :58 on your next practice, but you should try to be :57's every time, even if it means you have to hold back a little on the first 8-10. " Early throttle control" is a critical element of a 200 fly race, especially for us mortals. Practice it in the early parts of this set.
Thanks, Gary, I appreciate it! I agree on the :58 for next time, and the need to better pace my 50's. I will keep it in mind next time out! Thanks!!
50's at :20 USRPT sets are definitely working to build endurance for my fly.
My first time trying it on 2/15 with a goal of 1:00:
58,57,57,1:02/ 56,58,58,1:00,59,1:01/59,1:01 = 12
My 5th time was today with a goal of :59:
57,55,55,55,55,56,,55,55,56,57,57,56,57,57 (14) /55,57,58,58,58,58 = 20
I didn't fail at my 14th; I was interrupted by the pool cleaning guy and missed my send-off.