distance swimmers shorted

:frustrated: How many swimmers do they have in their meet? I went once (2009) and I think they had maybe 500 swimmers. officially, it was 651. looking back to 2001, the numbers work out as follows: 2001-613 2004-555 2005-518 2006-408 2007-501 2008-558 2009-651 i think 2009 is skewed a bit, since i know a lot of USMS members decided fort lauderdale was an easier trip than clovis, so i think that year's attendance is artificially high. i can't find numbers for 2002, 2003, 2010 or 2011, but based on the 7 years listed, you can't even begin to compare Y nats to USMS nats. i think a closer comparison would be Y nats to new england's LMSC champs. and they swim their distance events on a completely different weekend than the rest of the meet.

Yes, I understand Canadian Nationals offers the option to swim both distance events in a 4 day format. It was just said above that Canadian Nationals has 1200 swimmers and two courses. Our Spring Nationals has two courses but significantly more swimmers (almost 2000 in Atlanta, over 1800 in Mesa). That equates to us requiring at least a third course to have the same ratio (1200+ for 2 courses; 1800+ for 3 courses; 2400 for 4 courses, etc.). Even with only 632 swimmers last summer, our Summer Nationals average is 1000 for the past 10+ years. And we only have one course for most Long Course nationals. Like I said earlier, if we had a third course for Short Course or a second course for Long Course, we could offer the option to do both distance events in a 4 day schedule (or a 5 day schedule with just 2 courses for SC and 1 course for LC). That is why we cannot use Canadian Nationals as an example that it can be done. Jeff Jeff, Why can swimmers at Y masters nationals swim both distance events on the same day without having to get special permission to do so?

:frustrated: How many swimmers do they have in their meet? I went once (2009) and I think they had maybe 500 swimmers. That's why I ask. I don't know how many they have at their meet, I know that people can swim both events though.

Most would still complain about inadequate rest between races. That can be fixed with the proper sandbagging technique.

What do you mean they have to swim their distance events on a separate weekend? That is wholly unfair to the distance swimmers. You wouldn't make a sprinter swim the 50 on one weekend and the 100 a week later...:afraid: agreed! do not seperate distance swimmers from others, that defeats some fun of the meet, to interact with everyone!

i can't find numbers for 2002, 2003, 2010 or 2011, but based on the 7 years listed, you can't even begin to compare Y nats to USMS nats. i think a closer comparison would be Y nats to new england's LMSC champs. and they swim their distance events on a completely different weekend than the rest of the meet. And NE LMSC Champs you have to choose between the 1650 and the 1000. And since it's a seperate Saturday it make tappering difficult. This year I skipped tappering for this meet and tappered for nationals instead. Because of this I brook it into to distance seasons, the first half was my 1650 season, with NE LMSC Champs being my last 1650, then I took my 1000 split from that and used it to enter Nationals and then swam my only the 1000 after that. But I would rather swim both at NE LMSC Champs and SCY Nationals. I'm better at the longer distances but instead I end up swimming the 100 and 200 free at these meets. Maybe if they'd let us swim both, there would be less in other events.

I'm better at the longer distances but instead I end up swimming the 100 and 200 free at these meets. Maybe if they'd let us swim both, there would be less in other events. Maybe, but it would still take longer. Think about it: in your own situation, you are suggesting that you would (say) substitute the 1000 for the 100 free. I'm sure it takes you longer to swim the distance event... No one on the Championship Committee "has it in" for distance swimmers. But it is simply harder to accommodate them while keeping the timeline reasonable.

Maybe, but it would still take longer. Think about it: in your own situation, you are suggesting that you would (say) substitute the 1000 for the 100 free. I'm sure it takes you longer to swim the distance event... No one on the Championship Committee "has it in" for distance swimmers. But it is simply harder to accommodate them while keeping the timeline reasonable. Agreed, I don't believe anyone has it in for distance swimmers, it's more that we can't have a 5 day national meet. Even still it didn't stop me from going to Mesa in my first year as a Masters Swimmer. I'd love to see it though. Most likey next year I'll do the same training. Work for the 800 meter at NE SCM, then the 1650 and the Hour swim in the winter and the 1000 at Spring Nationals.

Jeff, What about a tougher qualifying time to limit the numbers that want to swim both. Eliminate the distance events from the events that you can swim without a QT. You can get the numbers down to a manageable level. It's a national championship not a zone meet.

Jeff, What about a tougher qualifying time to limit the numbers that want to swim both. Eliminate the distance events from the events that you can swim without a QT. You can get the numbers down to a manageable level. It's a national championship not a zone meet. Many swimmers love the distances.If you can swim a 50 free without making the NQT why not a 1500 or 800 otherwise you are "shorting" another group of distance swimmers.This year at Auburn you must make NQT to swim the 1500.This seems a reasonable compromise to me,but I am not a distance swimmer.My wife is and would rather swim the 1500,but she hasn't made the NQT,at least not yet.Granted Puerto Rico was an unusual meet,but my wife hadn't made the NQT in the 800 and finished 2nd ,which really made her meet.I would hate for someone else in that position to not even get to swim any distance event.