team scoring

Hi, The original submission of L2 by Pacific included a definition of a regional team which everyone said was too complicated. It was trying to address the idea that the club drew from a large amount of the swimmers in the LMSC region and did not have common management (single board of directors, one set of coaches, one set of pools), but rather was a group of independent entities coming together for competition at Nationals or other meets outside thier LMSC. Here is what was included in the original L2 submission: "For competition at National Championship Meets, a “Regional Team” will consist of those meet entrants that are registered with a club that (i) includes 40% or more of the LMSC’s registered members, and (ii) does not have centralized management and a single operating account to pay coaches and other expenses such as pool rental fees." Given the discussions on this forum, maybe we should see if we can define what is a "local" team as opposed to deciding what is a "regional" team. Let's try to see beyond the words that are used in this discussion, because if we get the principles down, then we can decide on what terms to use in presenting a proposal to the Rules Committee. I think the definition of Regional team is drafted broadly enough to cover the regional teams (like GAJA in Georgia and Metro in New York) that do not include all swimmers in their LMSC, but I am not sure we will be able to set up a definition for local clubs that would work. If we can set up a workable definition, then a club would fall in to one category or the other for its competition at Nationals. Assuming a local and regional team division, then maybe a definition of a local team could be as follows: "LOCAL CLUB DIVISION. A club will compete at a National Championship meet in the local club division if it meets the following conditions: (i) its members live in a limited geographic area (with no more than 10% of its members residing outside the LMSC where the club's address is located); and (ii) it has a single board of directors or other management structure that is responsible for acquiring facilities and paying coaching staff from the club's operating budget." This is a redraft of the concepts originally submitted, but it does cover the idea of small geographic draw for members, and single management of the swimmers activities, coaches, dues and facilities.....I do not know if this definition will work, as I do not know how the regional teams with workout groups do their operations, and whether each workout group operates and budgets money separately for their pools and coaches. Please feel free to edit -- the idea is to come up with a workable definition.....no pride of authorship here! Leianne ^^^

Hi, The original submission of L2 by Pacific included a definition of a regional team which everyone said was too complicated. It was trying to address the idea that the club drew from a large amount of the swimmers in the LMSC region and did not have common management (single board of directors, one set of coaches, one set of pools), but rather was a group of independent entities coming together for competition at Nationals or other meets outside thier LMSC. Here is what was included in the original L2 submission: "For competition at National Championship Meets, a “Regional Team” will consist of those meet entrants that are registered with a club that (i) includes 40% or more of the LMSC’s registered members, and (ii) does not have centralized management and a single operating account to pay coaches and other expenses such as pool rental fees." Given the discussions on this forum, maybe we should see if we can define what is a "local" team as opposed to deciding what is a "regional" team. Let's try to see beyond the words that are used in this discussion, because if we get the principles down, then we can decide on what terms to use in presenting a proposal to the Rules Committee. I think the definition of Regional team is drafted broadly enough to cover the regional teams (like GAJA in Georgia and Metro in New York) that do not include all swimmers in their LMSC, but I am not sure we will be able to set up a definition for local clubs that would work. If we can set up a workable definition, then a club would fall in to one category or the other for its competition at Nationals. Assuming a local and regional team division, then maybe a definition of a local team could be as follows: "LOCAL CLUB DIVISION. A club will compete at a National Championship meet in the local club division if it meets the following conditions: (i) its members live in a limited geographic area (with no more than 10% of its members residing outside the LMSC where the club's address is located); and (ii) it has a single board of directors or other management structure that is responsible for acquiring facilities and paying coaching staff from the club's operating budget." This is a redraft of the concepts originally submitted, but it does cover the idea of small geographic draw for members, and single management of the swimmers activities, coaches, dues and facilities.....I do not know if this definition will work, as I do not know how the regional teams with workout groups do their operations, and whether each workout group operates and budgets money separately for their pools and coaches. Please feel free to edit -- the idea is to come up with a workable definition.....no pride of authorship here! Leianne ^^^