Last November I wrote a short editorial about my feelings toward the seeding rules for masters nationals. Between now and then I have been trying to get the editorial published in one of our two swimming publications, but to no avail.
So I am "publishing" it here, for all masters swimmers to read as we approach the spring nationals in Fort Lauderdale.
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Please excuse all the question marks in this column, but I have a lot to ask.
Why are the 400 IM and distance freestyle events seeded by time at nationals, while the other events are seeded by age first, then time?
Here’s the rule, from the United States Masters Swimming Rule Book, about seeding events at nationals: “Pre-seeded events shall be seeded, with oldest age groups first, slowest heats swum first in each age group.” Not “... may be seeded...” No room for leeway there.
Why is this a steadfast rule that applies to every national championship, but only an optional policy for regional, state and local meets? An option that, I might add, is never used.
How much longer can we stand to watch another man or woman win a race by three body lengths, then watch another man or woman win a race by the same amount three heats later? To make matters worse, we don’t notice -- or don’t care -- that often the swimmers (in different age groups, obviously) finish the race with times less than a second apart?
Case in point: At the 2004 masters long course nationals in Georgia, Razvan Petcu and Michael Ross set world records in the 100 fly in the 30-34 and 35-39 age groups, respectively. Ross was faster than Petcu by less than two tenths. Imagine the sub-56 second times both would have posted if they had raced in the same heat -- the fastest heat consisting of the top eight 100 flyers at the meet. Imagine the crowd’s enthusiasm at witnessing a great race between two extraordinary swimmers -- and the other six who would have definitely fed off their energy.
I’ll give you another example. I was one of hundreds to watch in amazement as the 25-29 100 yard freestyle at last year’s short course nationals featured a race that had three swimmers break 45 seconds. And yet, by that time, many had forgotten that two swimmers in the 40-44 age group, John Smith and Paul Smith, weren't too far off the pace, swimmig under 47 seconds.
How great it would have been to have the Smiths swim in the same heat as Sabir Muhammed and Gary Hall Jr. Would the Smiths have moaned about swimming against people 15 years younger? Doubtful. Would the younger swimmers have laughed at two men in their 40s racing them? Highly unlikely.
Unfortunately, that is a race we will most likely never see. And if the rule makers at FINA and USMS can’t see the inherent advantages of erasing this current rule, then we’ll never see races of that caliber.
We’ll continue to see Bobby Patten race all alone in the 200 fly, instead of getting pure competition from swimmers in other age groups who would jump at the chance to race one of master swimming’s best.
I’ve only been a part of masters swimming for five years, so I wasn’t around when this rule was passed. So can someone please tell me the logic behind it?
Are the older swimmers scared of getting their butts whipped by a 28-year-old? Did someone complain that they miss the days of age group swimming and wanted to return to that?
Please tell me the logic behind that rule -- if there is any logic.
And while you’re thinking of an explanation, think about what would happen if this rule were in effect in USA Swimming and Olympic/World Championship meets. It would mean that Michael Phelps and Ian Thorpe would never get to race because Phelps belonged in the 19-24 age group. Would Katie Hoff be relegated to the 15-18 age group, while Amanda Beard swims all alone in the 19-24 bracket?
Yep, that’s a bunch of baloney, but that what I’m seeing in masters swimming. And as some of us begin to map out our training and competition plans leading up to next year’s master’s world championships, I fear we’ll never get the kind of exciting matchups we take for granted in the Olympics.
Wouldn’t you rather see four swimmers duke it out for the overall title in the 200 free at nationals than to watch them one by one in their respective age groups? (Don’t worry. They’d still get their first place medals for winning their age groups.) And wouldn’t it be better for all swimmers to race people of their own ability?
What would it take to make this policy change? Would it just take one person to finally vocalize what so many have whispered about on decks around the world? OK, I’ve done that. What’s next?
I’ve asked a lot of questions here, and the answers (read: the future of US Masters Swimming) lie within you.
Originally posted by LindsayNB
To me if you have one group that likes silver cars and one group that like blue cars, you can either argue over whether to make all cars silver or blue and take polls etc. etc., or you can let people choose the color of their own car.
Yeah, and if 300 people want a blue car, and 5 of them want a silver car, the cost of that silver paint and production goes way up, or you have to amortize it across everyone that buys the blue car as well. If the Blue cars find out that they paid for part of the silver one, you have a lot of ill feelings on your hands to deal with.
You kow, all the way up to the nationals, I gather that most meets are seeded according to your time. if elites are so eager to swim against one another, how come they haven't gotten together and decided to choose one or two regional meets acroiss the country, andmake it into a face-off?
We just held regionals in Southern California, there was plenty of room and time left for, easily another 50 or even 100 swimmers. Nice pool, nice facility and area, 3 day meet, could have had the the face off, time trial, exhbition event... It was at a local College that has it's own little TV broadcast...
In USMS you don't have to compete in your own LMSC or Zone...
Perfect setting to have the fast people swim against one another. Can anyone tell me why they weren't there? There's plenty of fast people just in our LMSC!
Can anyone explain to me hiw come in the fastest heat of men's 100 there were 7 no-shows, and only one guy swam it in a heat all by himself, at 40some seconds...
He *did* get a big standing ovation.
Yeah, theoretically we could do this and we could do that... getting the fickle to go along with the program and actually participate seems to be the struggle.
Originally posted by LindsayNB
To me if you have one group that likes silver cars and one group that like blue cars, you can either argue over whether to make all cars silver or blue and take polls etc. etc., or you can let people choose the color of their own car.
Yeah, and if 300 people want a blue car, and 5 of them want a silver car, the cost of that silver paint and production goes way up, or you have to amortize it across everyone that buys the blue car as well. If the Blue cars find out that they paid for part of the silver one, you have a lot of ill feelings on your hands to deal with.
You kow, all the way up to the nationals, I gather that most meets are seeded according to your time. if elites are so eager to swim against one another, how come they haven't gotten together and decided to choose one or two regional meets acroiss the country, andmake it into a face-off?
We just held regionals in Southern California, there was plenty of room and time left for, easily another 50 or even 100 swimmers. Nice pool, nice facility and area, 3 day meet, could have had the the face off, time trial, exhbition event... It was at a local College that has it's own little TV broadcast...
In USMS you don't have to compete in your own LMSC or Zone...
Perfect setting to have the fast people swim against one another. Can anyone tell me why they weren't there? There's plenty of fast people just in our LMSC!
Can anyone explain to me hiw come in the fastest heat of men's 100 there were 7 no-shows, and only one guy swam it in a heat all by himself, at 40some seconds...
He *did* get a big standing ovation.
Yeah, theoretically we could do this and we could do that... getting the fickle to go along with the program and actually participate seems to be the struggle.