Although I was very impressed with Sabir the swimmer, I was not impressed with Sabir the person. What was up with him flexing his muscles before the 50 FLY? Is this the NFL/ NBA or is this master's swimming? I didn't appreciate the "hey everyone, look at me" attitude. Swim the race, shake hands with your competitors, and be thankful for the gift God has given you. Don't show up your competitor like a Pro Wrestler. I wonder how much muscle flexing Sabir will do before events at the olympic trials! I have much respect for him for his talent and swimming accomplishments. But after his display before the 50 Fly, I have little respect for him as the person.
Paul:
Wow, in the stair well....you animal you....
Swimmer, I side with Paul ...post your name behind what you have to say...
As to Ion, I always tried to keep the guy top side up...I wish he was back...and don't like the ban if that is what happened...
Originally posted by Paul Smith
Mark, I just sent you a PM on this.
I also want to be clear, my message about being "very" dissapointed in his being banned is in no way a defense of his actions. I never want to see anyone banned, I hope people are strong enough or smart enough to ignore those types of attacks. I can understand and accept that others don't agree, just sharing my opinion.
Originally posted by mattson
I don't know any of the details, but I am going to take an educated guess:
Ion was not banned for his ideas on swimming or his passion for the sport. It was for the contempt he expressed for the majority of USMS swimmers, and the personal attacks (that he sometimes resorted to) when his ideas were challenged. (Some of his responses were provoked, but most were not.)
I'm not saying I would banned him, but I am not disappointed with the outcome. Paul, if you are dissatisfied by that response, send me a PM. You may have missed the 1-day thread with my name in it.
We can debate the right/wrong of Ion being banned in another thread if anyone really wants to go there and if it would even be allowed. There were also threads started with his name in it and it took numerous people to argue his points and as far as I can tell he is the only one gone even though others certainly broke the Forum Etiquette. He may have been the worst but he wasn't the only.
Paul and Tom, the names people use on the site are completely irrelevant. We can't really know who anyone is. We don't really know you are Paul Smith or which Paul Smith. Based on signature, we don't know Conniekat, rafa, swimmy jimmy, susan, swim53, or nyswim and that's just in this thread. I'm the dissenting opinion here and I know that but that doesn't mean I should be held to a higher standard than others who've posted. If you ask for mine then ask for all.
I'm slightly sorry to have caused this much of a discussion. Only slightly though. Isn't it about time for the yearly discussion of pool termp and noodlers?
Originally posted by Scansy
Those "flashes" of light you kept seeing weren't lightning!
Uh, oh... And I thought all superstars had that kind of a glow around them!
Well, it's a rough world out there for innocent little girls like me, all alone.
Originally posted by swimr4life
You should not be sorry. You have every right to post your opinion. Thats why it's called a discussion forum. We don't all have to agree on every topic. I enjoy hearing different opinions on topics. Often we can learn from each other by hearing different points of view. Please don't hesitate to post your opinion!
Pool temp...now that is something we can all agree on!:D
You're right. I'm slightly sorry about some of the direction it went. Not that I wasn't in the majority. If we were all in the majority then life would be pretty boring.
Tom, sorry but you can't lay the Vail thing on us anymore as we just relocated to Boulder! Going to be interesting having a real team to train with for the first time in years!
Gull80: Sorry, but I'm only a "pool predator"! As an internet predator I'm lost (can't spell, or type) and God knows I couldn't catch a snail on foot!
Scansy: The flashes we're actually from a late bloomer stalking us both attempting to find the secret of VO2Max!
Connie: On a serious note it was nice to meet and put a face to the fastest typer on the web!
Originally posted by Paul Smith
Sorry, but I'm only a "pool predator"!
Sorry Paul, that makes you a "stairwell predator". You can upgrade to "pool", if you caught Connie in the diving well, like I did. ;) (Closest thing there, to a hot tub.)
Tom, I remember an age-group meet in Rome during the summer, where families pitch tents next to an outdoor pool. (This was 20 years ago. :p ) Is that the pool where you are training?
Originally posted by Conniekat8
But, but... He seemed like such a nice guy... At first...
;)
There you have it, another cautionary tale about an Internet predator.
