why are sc nationals early?

I think its still a good pool Just pointing out there nothing wrong with other pools. By the way, read that Newport Harbor like Irvine is doing reconstrucation on their pool. Mission needs to think about this. Irvine has dominated the local swim scene in Orange County during the past decade, if Mission wants to have people make the olympics beyond 2004, it needs to be competitive with Irvine. One way is to do work on their pool. Its good for our nationals the way it is(the pool). Also, Mission Viejo is in a nice suburban area that looks like OC of the 1970's and the crime rate is low not an Anaheim or Santa Ana. And everyone can choose between Disneyland or going to Seaworld in San Diego for a social special at nationals..

A couple of comments; - Hi Barb! - I actuallly prefer having an earlier SCY meet, the problem with having it in May is it doesn't allow much training time till LCM - The topic of hosting nationals was brought up at the convention, a number of people made note of how the current process is a bit adversarial and not "proactive". Thanks to Mel, a couple of us have taken the lead in going after locations rather than waiting for them to come to USMS. FYI, a number of the sites mentioned in this thread now have bid packets in hand and hopefully will seriously consider hosting in the coming years. We all want fast pool and beautiful surroundings!

Mission Viejo Pool is undergoing some very nice renovations that will be done mid 2004, with plenty of time for nationals in 2005. As for the pools, I've swam in Newport Harbor and Irvine and several other pools in this area before coming to Mission, and Mission Viejo Pool is by far the nicest. The pools were resurfaced just few years ago, and the Offices, deck, concourse, bleachers etc are being renovated as we speak. It actually has 3 pools in the complex, one 50Mx25Y pool, and two 25Yx25M pools, one with a diving well, the other is a teaching pool. It is also situated on a pretty large chunk of land, so there is ample room for concourse, bleachers, office facilities etc. The only facility that I have seen that is of comparable caliber is Long Beach pool (I'm not sure of it's proper name, plus it's indoors, so it's comparing apples and oranges). I'm not sure what "30 year old" has to do with all this... Mission pool has very nice gutters, it is a deep(fast) pool, wide lanes... Kept very up to date and well maintained. Also, I think it's due some major Kudos for managing to be open and even host a number of events even while under renovations. My apologies if my response comes across as little harsh. I would like to invite people who have doubts about the facility to come and visit it before they pass judgement. About the facility or it's adequacy. Also, there is some limited PR material showing off the pool, available at our team website, along with A PDF file of our 2005 National's Bid detailing additional information about the pool. www.mastersmvnswim.org Thank You

Well, I swam in the pool 30 years ago. And then it was considered the state of the art then. If they have done recent work thats fine. But each person is different. I even knew people who swam good at the old LA pool built in 1932. What I'm tired of is people from the western states knocking down pools in other parts of the country. The Indy pool even held the olympic trails. Neither Long Beach Belmont Shores or Mission Viejo are to this now. This means that the USA swimming didn't feel that the Long Beach pool built around 1968 is up for the 2004 Olympic trails. That doesn't mean that its bad for master swimming nationals. And pools do need to be updated, if they are 30 years old and older. I remember swimming in the LA pool that was use in the 1932 olympics. This was in 1972 and it was dated by then. Also, Misson Viejo talks about National Championships. Most of these occured under Mark during the 1970's and 1980's. And the area has not suffered like Northern Orange County has with the growth of low-skilled immirgrants. There are a lot of middle to upper middle class families that live in the area, and why they are beaten out by the Irvine Novas for the past 10 years, I don't know.

Originally posted by breastroker Mission Viejo under Coach Mark has really invigorated masters swimming in his area. The 2005 Long Course nationals will be at Mission Viejo, and I am sure it will be one of the best. Wayne, thank you for kind words and a vote of confidence :) And if I may, a shameless plug for out wonderful masters Coach Mark Moore. Since he has been able to take on coaching full time, roughly couple of years ago, the Mission Viejo Nadadores Masters team has grown from some 20-ish to 120-ish people, and growing stronger. (Novas watch out!) The man has endless patience and dedication! (In addition to experience and education) A commentary to Cinc's question about Nova's, their home town, Irvine has similar demographics to the area that is home to Mission Viejo pool, so there is just as much talent and family/community backing in Irvine as there is in Mission Viejo area. There is a very healthy rivalry between Irvine Nova's and MV Nadadores.

They are similar but a little different in demographics. Irvine is about 30 percent Asian while Mission is about 8 percent. There income levels are similar.

Just one example of Mission Viejos resurgance is their web site, probably the best new team web site out there. Check it out at http://www.mastersmvnswim.org/ cinc310, I don't think you understand some things, the Long Beach pool is not being used in the Olympic trials because it is ONE pool. Not because it isn't modern enough. Southern California has several new 50 meter pools, so they are being built. One in Santa Monica, now one in Santa Clarita. There will be one in Thousand Oaks soon. We invite all Masters to come to SPMA and swim in some of the modern pools. We have a SCY meet in the new Las Vegas pool January 10th, 2004. Another SCY in Santa Clarita February 14th, and LMU pool April 18th. All in modern 50 meter pools. Come on Cynthia, visit the finest. As many have said before, it is the organization behind the meet host that puts on great Nationals. When we could not do it in the 90s with the largest team in masters, for Coach Mark Moore and his group to pull it off is great. I invite anyone in Masters to come out March 21, 2004 to the Mission Viejo SCY meet and see how they do a great meet. Here is every ones chance to get some sun, a great swim meet, some good food, and check out the new facility. Just look for me in the Jacussi under the diving boards. You might get a chance to swim with some of the former Olympic Champions that swim for Coach Mark. Wayne McCauley SPMA Chairman

I feel to have good master swimming in SO Cal and Arizona we need to deal with the immirgant problem. Having lived near and work in Santa Ana Calfornia I seen rapid changes. At one time Santa Ana had similar incomes to Mission Viejo. It even had a large hispanic middle class. Then the immirgation levels skyrocked in the 1980's and 1990's. In fact, the major pastime in Santa Ana now is soccer. Also, it has more crowded housing than even LA or New York city. Santa Ana like the southside in Tucson has some swimming pools but there are less involved with either age group swimming or masters. I feel that we don't need to develop a New York swim program. Where most of the swimming takes place in nice suburbs like Long Island and few of it in older suburbs or the city.

Ms. Curran, exactly what is the "immigrant problem" to which you refer?

:eek: I'm an immigrant! Is that a problem??? :( :D ;)