Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

Jeff Enge — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 20:41:47 GMT

In a different thread it was suggested that with significantly less entries than the cap, there would only be 2 sessions each day now... So that's a bit better with the spacing.

I definitely paid attention to when events were swum when I was signing up in the first place just because I didn't want to do back-to-backs for that reason. But I enjoy racing pretty much any event besides distance so that helps somewhat.

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

FlyChoseMe — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 16:07:18 GMT

The other downside to "Sessions" is that we will be swimming all our events close together, not spread out among all age groups. Three events in two hours early in the morning is no fun.

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

Jim Clemmons — Sat, 05 Jun 2021 22:13:02 GMT

I was going to just be blunt about it and say life is not always fair and it sometimes comes down to choices, you can choose to go or not. It is your choice. But I won't be blunt, at least not this time.

As Jeff Enge points out, there is a HUGE (!) amount of work that goes into setting up and executing a pool national meet, even in normal times. Due to the pandemic, the two meets for this year took an inordinate amount of time and effort from the host, BOD, national office staff, rules and championship committee members to put together. Our first goal was just to get to a point where it appeared that if we put in the work, we could pull the two meets together so USMS members would have an opportunity to race again. We bagged that goal.

Will it/they be ideal? Nope, can't say with any certainty that they will be, and from some commentary, definitely not, but you will be given an opportunity to participate, if you choose to do so.

As far as swimming early, I don't know, maybe it's just me but I have to cross two time zones to get there (used to be three) but like going to Maryland, Ft Lauderdale, Coral Springs... I go to swim and if early it is, so be it. I can take a nap if it's that debilitating.

I would definitely plan on older age groups going first - as is written in the rules - hope to see you there.

Jim Clemmons

Chair, Championship Committee

PS: how do you think Caleb Dressel and Michael Andrew, et al, feel about morning finals in Tokyo???

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

sickfish — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 23:54:47 GMT

Agreed. Get it over with so we can eat!

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

orca1946 — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 15:55:27 GMT

So as a senior age group swimmer, [75 - 79] I PREFER to swim early as opposed to much later in the day - waiting around is really not my thing!

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

Jeff Enge — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 00:19:27 GMT

I'm not sure I have any pull to even start the conversation, but I can ask.

For what it's worth, I'd rather swim in the first session and be able to fly back home earlier on Sunday - only have so many vacation days to use.

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

003X2 — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 23:49:12 GMT

I presume you are in a position to open the discussion which I am trying to do on this forum.

the reason USMS has not received more blowback on this issue from seniors is that your poor decision is buried in the fine print. what is unfair is having one group warm up at the earliest slot every single day regardless of which event they are focusing on. the burden of the early start should be evenly shared by all age groups, even if your personal opinion is that this is not unfair.

I predict that some seniors who have already sent in their entry fees will not attend when they learn of this.

and others will be less inclined to attend when this news is more widely distributed.

the objective is not just hosting a nationals post covid. the objective is hosting a nationals that is fair to all participants.

jeff

it is profoundly unfair. please rise above bureaucracy and change the policy to help people who train their asses off all year in order to compete in the national championships. I want this changed for SC and LC championships.

thank you

Trip Strauss. Little Rock Masters

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

003X2 — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 23:42:55 GMT

jeff

thank you

Trip Strauss. Little Rock Masters

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

Jeff Enge — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 23:31:49 GMT

Trip -

I'm not in a position to change anything. I'm just telling you how it is.

However, I'm not sure that rotating sessions is any "fairer," given that everyone focuses on different events that sit at different times in the schedule anyway.

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

003X2 — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 23:06:49 GMT

jeff

thank you

Trip Strauss. Little Rock Masters

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

Jeff Enge — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 20:27:07 GMT

Unfortunately changing something like this involves suspending the legislation/rules which requires involvement of the BOD, legislation and rules committees. There are a *ton* of rules and regs that are already in discussion to be suspended or modified to fit in this meet and the long course meet in October, I'm not sure if this particular one was overlooked or what, but at this point it might be too late to go through the process for it.

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

Allen Stark — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 17:28:18 GMT

I can't find the notification for this. I agree about the unfairness. If one is from the West Coast then an 8:00 event is like 5:00.

Not great to do that every day, but by the last day you are pretty used to it.

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

003X2 — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 17:17:22 GMT

to Jay Eckert and all.....

it is profoundly unfair to have the oldest age groups swim early every day at nationals. why in the world would you not rotate the starts by the age groupings to give each group a chance to swim at their preferred times? rather than relying on some rule in the rule books that has nothing to do with covid protocols why do you not create new policy based on fairness to all? that would be consistent with changing the order of events each year.

age groupers have been adjusting to covid for 12 months with staggered start times by age group. to say that you do not want the schedule to be confusing to a group of adult swimmers is patronizing and obviously prejudiced against one group of swimmers.

this ill-founded strategy needs to be corrected now and the proposed start times for all groups need to be clearly communicated to all swimmers well in advance of the meet.

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

Jay Eckert — Tue, 25 May 2021 17:00:25 GMT

Chris Stevenson The Rules Committee discussed this, and it has now been decided that dates for SCY Top Ten will not be changing for the 2020-21 season. So Short Course Nationals (July 21-25) will be in the 2021-22 season along with 2022 Spring Nationals.

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

Jay Eckert — Tue, 25 May 2021 16:57:50 GMT

sunruh Yes, the sessions will be in the same order each day. Per USMS rules, the meet will be oldest to youngest (both by session and within sessions). For example, sessions could be 55+ first, 40-54 second, 18-39 third for Friday-Sunday, though the exact age groups in each session will be determined based on the entries received.

With the postponed dates and other programming at the facility also being rescheduled, we do have time limits to consider. Currently, we have been given 6am - 4pm windows to schedule the meet each day. However, we only drop the 6th event if necessary and we will avoid that scenario if at all possible.

During this unusual year this is still subject to change and we will confirm all details as we get closer to the meet.

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

sunruh — Mon, 24 May 2021 18:20:58 GMT

i would like to know if the same session group always goes in the morning? or will it go morning, afternoon, morning or how?

how can i purchase plane tickets if i dont have a clue when i may end on sunday?

why are we needing to pick a 6th event to drop? thats only used if there are 1800+ people in the meet and there is already a limit of 500 per session ie 1000...this meet will go faster than most masters meets. you will be begging for more rest time.

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

Allen Stark — Sun, 23 May 2021 21:30:42 GMT

They announced in the event section of the forums it was on and registration begins tomorrow. Too late for me, I’m doing Senior Games instead too.

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

orca1946 — Sun, 23 May 2021 21:16:35 GMT

Well at this point I have decided to swim in IOWA for the Senior Olympics meet they have that is on for sure!!!

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

Dawswim — Wed, 19 May 2021 14:26:07 GMT

orca1946 - Stay tuned. Announcements on SCY Nationals are coming in the next few days.

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

orca1946 — Tue, 18 May 2021 20:32:33 GMT

Well --- C D C now says " masks off for all that are fully vaccinated" if the non vaxers tell the truth and wear a mask ,I will be surprised.

On a lighter note, does this mean we are closer to having S C Nats?

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

orca1946 — Mon, 03 May 2021 22:49:14 GMT

Q times posted but still in the ???? range of going on FOR SURE.

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

Rich Abrahams — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:47:20 GMT

swimswam.com/.../ Encouraging news with regard to short course nationals at the same venue

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

orca1946 — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 01:07:00 GMT

Thanx for the info Rich. I would hope time is allowed for swimmers to move from the seating area to the blocks for each event so as to keep us apart. I am recovering from foot surgery and will take aim at Q times for S C Nationals in July

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

67King — Wed, 10 Feb 2021 07:35:57 GMT

Pace has picked up. 50% now projected for June 30th. We're at over 1.5M doses per day.

RE: Spring Nationals postponed to July 21 -25, 2021

orca1946 — Fri, 05 Feb 2021 12:10:38 GMT

I had not even thought of top 10 but ,yes that would be a topic for discussion. I want to be recovered from foot & shoulder surgery b4 I try this meet.