Kicking in open water.

RE: Kicking in open water.

srcoyote — Thu, 24 Aug 2017 08:27:52 GMT

I thought of this thread as I swam my first 10K on Sunday. Swim to the Moon is a point to point swim on a circuit through five small lakes. The 5K swims the circuit one way, and the 10K swims the circuit there and back. About 4K in, I started to flag, and my shoulders were aching so I switched to a 6-beat kick for about 1500 meters. By the time I hit 8K mark, it was my legs that were tired, but my shoulders were ready to take over so I used a 2-bit kick until about 50 meters left. I agree with Mark on using the 6-beat to start. This Sunday, I'll swim a 5K swim that starts at the same time as 1/3 tri. Too much flailing machismo there at the start. In those situations I start out fast and for first couple of hundred meters until I'm clear.

RE: Kicking in open water.

MSK — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:40:39 GMT

Another reason that you don't see a strong kick in open water is that a lot of OW swimmers are triathletes who are deliberately sparing their legs for the bike and run.

RE: Kicking in open water.

Mark Usher — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 03:35:36 GMT

When Sheila Taormina was coaching our Masters team, she taught us to use a 6-beat kick tactically during triathlon swims: Kick hard to get some separation at the start, switch to a 2-beat to conserve energy, and then go back to a 6-beat towards the finish to "wake up" the legs before exiting the water. She would have us do sets where we would practice accelerating and decelerating. I also thought it was interesting watching Ledecky at Worlds. She looked like she would do a quick 3 kick pulse starting with her left foot every 4-5 arm strokes.

RE: Kicking in open water.

Former Member — Mon, 07 Aug 2017 10:47:46 GMT

I'm not a big kicker, but I find kicking in the OW for me is a function of the conditions. Bigger waves call for bigger kicks. Helps to stabilize and get your breathing in without getting a mouthful (or at least minimizing it...) For me, it's a much slower kick than in the pool, and is really timed to the rhythm of the waves. On flat water, kicking reverts back to more pool-like. 'tuna

RE: Kicking in open water.

srcoyote — Mon, 07 Aug 2017 09:16:34 GMT

I grew up a sprinter with a 6-beat kick. When I made the move to open water distance in my 30's, I switched to a two-beat kick. It is strong enough to drive my stroke from the hip (more so with my right leg), but it is not a strong kick. I save my legs for the last 750-1000 meters when I switch to a 6-beat and let my legs and adrenaline drive me home. (Anything 5K or longer, my shoulders are flagging by that point anyway.)

RE: Kicking in open water.

Sumorunner — Mon, 07 Aug 2017 04:43:46 GMT

I guess I don't feel so bad now. I'm still a novice, so I have nothing to guide me in OWS but this forum. I was trying to increase my kicking from the start, but after a mile+ it started to wear me down. Anyway, I wasn't in a race, so no harm done. I'll try waiting for the third half mile loop to get a harder kick on next time.

RE: Kicking in open water.

flystorms — Mon, 07 Aug 2017 01:15:43 GMT

Like some have said, it depends on the distance. Shorter races under 2m, yeah, I'll kick more. The longer races, I'll usually just do a 2 beat kick for most of the race then kick strong towards the last 1/2 mile or so to the finish. Or sometimes, to break things up or to creep up on someone from behind, I'll kick at a medium pace for about 10 strokes, then easy, then strong again. It breaks it up a bit more and gives you something to drive towards as you get an opportunity to pass. Don't do it to the detriment of your race, though.

RE: Kicking in open water.

aqueoushumor — Sun, 06 Aug 2017 03:08:53 GMT

Well if Katie doesn't kick much...On the other hand, it sounds like it would't hurt to kick at little more, especially towards the end. I practiced increasing my kick in the pool this morning. A little awkward. I am doing Donner Lake Saturday; I think I will see how things go increasing my kick on the last stretch. If I don't like it, I can always go back to my wimpy way. Thanks for the input.

RE: Kicking in open water.

ssumargo — Sat, 05 Aug 2017 10:11:39 GMT

I've only done 1 open water swim ever, so I don't really know the answer to this. But I've met a couple of open water swimmers who gave me lots of advice for my first open water swim. A 1 mile open water swim is considered as a "sprint". So I've been told to swim like it's a sprint, with rhythmic breathing. That means lots of hard kicking. For longer distances, they told me to kick, not as hard and frequent. So its a relaxed kicking just so that you don't feel out of balance when you are breathing on the side. Then start kicking hard on the last mile. A few days before my 1 mile OWS, our masters coach had made us do some kicking drills. With and without fins. A team mate of mine who swims a lot in the open water with barely any kicking, started getting cramps the first day of the kicking drills. He decided that he was going to try kicking hard throughout the mile, in the end, he thanked the coach because his time improved and he didn't get any cramps.

RE: Kicking in open water.

Gary P — Sat, 05 Aug 2017 05:33:54 GMT

FWIW, Ledecky barely kicks in a 1500 until the last 150-200M. At this most recent World Championship, she maintained a one-beat kick most of the way. Yes, a one beat, kicking only with her left foot. Still went 15:30. You may have to put a little more energy into the kick when you sight, as that motion can push your hips and lower body down. You may occasionally find you need to kick a little more forcefully to drive rotation when you are swimming cross-waved. Otherwise, you don't have to kick any more (or less) than you do swimming long-distance in the pool. If your body posture is good, that may not be very much at all.

RE: Kicking in open water.

Sumorunner — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:17:32 GMT

I'd like to hear about this too. My kick is very weak too. I do a lake swim once a week, about 1.5 miles. This week I concentrated on kicking more and ended up with lower leg/foot cramps in the last hundred yards or so. Had to *** stroke into shore to work out the cramping.