Water Temp v wetsuit

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Celestial — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 12:59:28 GMT

Sarasota Bay (around Lido Key) this weekend, and it’s been cooler than usual, so water temp of 72 for 7 miles (12K).

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flystorms — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 05:54:15 GMT

Where will you be swimming? Or better yet, what is the expected water temp?

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Celestial — Sat, 07 Apr 2018 05:14:14 GMT

Please forgive my revival of this old thread. If I wear a fast skin, will I be warmer in the water? I’m a little nervous (obviously) about hypothermia, but not sure I want that tight old thing ON for 3-1/2 hours. I’m 5’7” and ~120lbs, and cold natured anyway.

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aquageek — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:36:23 GMT

First off, I defer to chaos on all matters ow as he is one of the experts in the field. He's also a nice guy who brings me beer and gifts, and I'm easily swayed by swag. I like my wetsuit, like it a lot. I can wear it for about 6-8 weeks annually early in the Spring. It allows me to swim farther, probably because it makes swimming easier. When my goal at first is to go a few hours it helps to have the suit on. Then, when the water turns to stew temperature I dump the thing.

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Former Member — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:14:29 GMT

The one I've been looking at is Waterworld. Looks like there's some cheap(ish) flights for that date. I can't stand the feeling of anything touching my neck while I swim, so if I decide to wear a wetsuit it will be one of my own designs: forums.usms.org/blog.php

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Former Member — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:08:25 GMT

I'm thinking of swimming the GG to Bay Bridge in June as a birthday present to me from me. Has anyone done it? I'm dying to go back there, had the best time ever! even totally cheating on that swim..... I Love that swim. One of the bests in the country. You'll never swim anything more exciting. A number of people run a swim. Swim Art (disclosure owned by Leslie Thomas, the head of my channel crew), Bob Roper, Water World, Gary Emich, . . . I went with Bob Roper. I signed p last year to do it again with WaterWorld but had to leave SF and return home for a family matter. My choice had to do with my schedule.

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Former Member — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:00:05 GMT

One of my favorite swims EVER! It was truly glorious... (breakfast at Denny's, not so much) I'm thinking of swimming the GG to Bay Bridge in June as a birthday present to me from me. Has anyone done it? I'm dying to go back there, had the best time ever! even totally cheating on that swim.....

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Former Member — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 06:38:21 GMT

I think it is time to weed out the lightweights. For most of my life OW swimming has been ocean swimming. But then I moved to Oregon and people appear to think that lake swimming is the same sport. Outside the great lakes, I think it is time that we ignore all results from lake swims. Heck I have swum in pools with rougher water than some of the lake swims I've been in.

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Former Member — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 06:25:13 GMT

I take geog's point in bumping the old threads to mean: It has happened before, and it will happen again. So it has, and so it will. i came across those threads by chance when looking to see how this thread stood in terms of its number of posts (to sort the OWS forum by post-count, click on the header of the 'replies' column). i bumped them with half a thought that posters in this thread would be interested in the others. what does the volume of those threads indicate? especially in light that this is an Open Water Swimming Forum, albeit on a pool-swimmers website? i think the answer is that the world wide surge of interest is not in open water swimming (unqualified usage), but in wetsuit swimming ("open water" justifiably left implicit, permanently , unless there is a wetsuit pool swimming culture that i'm unaware of). or maybe it indicates something else. there is: The Righteous Mind: why good people are divided by politics and religion 2012, by Jonathan Haidt.

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Former Member — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 05:04:32 GMT

I take geog's point in bumping the old threads to mean: It has happened before, and it will happen again. So it has, and so it will. I'm sure it's bad for profits and media spectacle, but as long as: - there are still OWS events (excluding tris) that don't separate wetsuits & skins (and btw ChrisM, in my experience, outside of USMS events this is still the norm); - the desire to maintain this distinction is mischaracterized as elitist; - people who swim the English Channel in wetsuits are eligible for the International Marathon Swimming Hall of Fame (no joke)... ... I will continue to fight the good fight. ChrisM, I'm sorry for being short with you earlier. If you're interested in learning more about marathon swimming, I invite you to check out marathonswimmers.org. As long as you don't start off with the phrase "holier than thou," like you did here, I think you'll actually find it quite a friendly group. Likewise, I'll refrain from trolling Slowtwitch or BeginnerTri with all of my antiquated notions. Well, I don't think I am a troll, as I was just trying ti understand the mindset, but you're right, holier than thou was the wrong choice of words. There are a few of us that straddle the OW and tri worlds and understand and respect the rules/traditions/unwritten rules of each. I wouldn't think of advocating wetsuits for solo marathon swimming, but to be honest that wasn't what I was talking wbout when referring to OW swims. Wsa talking more about the recreational ocean 2 mile pier to piers etc.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 16:42:40 GMT

Blah blah is correct. I'm sure wetsuits are very useful and I wore one myself in an IM rather than let inferior swimmers beat me. All I'm saying is that they allow swimmers to "swim" in conditions they are not trained for. A shortcut, much like putting a motor on a bike. Not difficult to comprehend. LOL. I rest my case. Use the tools available to you. Even if they are anathema

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 16:37:25 GMT

On the other hand I completely support events that choose to maintain elite standards. As an american, I am sick and tired of the "elites" telling me what I can and cannot do.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 16:01:14 GMT

I am sure in OW swimmers' eyes that makes us triathletes weaker, wimpier, not willing to work hard enough, blah blah blah. Whatever. And the analogy to motorized bikes at an IM is a non sequitur. Motors are illegal. Wetsuits aren't (at those races). I wouldn't think that's a difficult concept to grasp. Blah blah is correct. I'm sure wetsuits are very useful and I wore one myself in an IM rather than let inferior swimmers beat me. All I'm saying is that they allow swimmers to "swim" in conditions they are not trained for. A shortcut, much like putting a motor on a bike. Not difficult to comprehend.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:34:10 GMT

In most tri’s shoes are not required for the run. However shoes (like wetsuits) do provide safety and competitive advantage to those who wear them. And with the exception of the Barefoot Running Society, I doubt there are many folks who grouse about them shoed runners. +1 @ Barebutt Swimming Society shoes are more analogous to goggles than to wetsuits since both shoes and goggles 1) are worn to a prevent physical harm that cannot be mitigated by training and 2) are worn even though they carry competitive disadvantages, such as time lost during T1 and T2 to put on shoes, and a loss (?) of stream line in the case of goggles. goggles also correct vision. the weak link might be the non-textile swim cap, which is selected and donned for heat retention and speed. there are other inconsistencies. some mechanical alterations are ok, such as shaving, while others are not, such as skin grafts to web toes or fingers or bone lengthening or shortening. maybe the division between amateur and professional athletes is a good analogy. personally, i do not have much invested in the putative issue, it's just fun to mull over controversies.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 14:21:13 GMT

btw, from what I understand you do 99% of your training in a pool. to me thats nutso, but to me that makes your cool water swims impressive because i do know the benefits of cold water training. Thanks. When I lived in Santa Barbara for nearly 20 years it was ocean swimming and surfing, with a little training in Los Banos and the Carpinteria pool. I even lived right on Rincon Point for a year, but had to move when I gort married. :-( At least the moving part was sad.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 14:12:29 GMT

Three Rivers, The Brooklyn Bridge and Lady Liberty (US Version) on Vimeo There are only a few short clips of Ederle in this vid.... but I'm sure there must be more. thanks, historical footage starts about 9 min into it, runs for ~3 min. excellent production quality, but if you find the bacon, please post!

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 13:03:26 GMT

thanks. online? where? Three Rivers, The Brooklyn Bridge and Lady Liberty (US Version) on Vimeo There are only a few short clips of Ederle in this vid.... but I'm sure there must be more.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:51:12 GMT

cold water is not uncomfortable. You are a walrus, goo goo a'gjoo lol. you are a triathlete at heart, gear gear mo'gear "Lennon composed the song by combining three songs he had been working on. When he learned that a teacher at his old primary school was having his students analyse Beatles' lyrics, he added a verse of nonsense words. The walrus is a reference to the walrus in Lewis Carroll's poem The Walrus and the Carpenter (from the book Through the Looking-Glass). Lennon expressed dismay upon belatedly realising that the walrus was a villain in the poem." btw, from what I understand you do 99% of your training in a pool. to me thats nutso, but to me that makes your cool water swims impressive because i do know the benefits of cold water training. hats off to you, sincerely! best wishes on your swims/fundraisng.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:45:52 GMT

(breakfast at Denny's, not so much) I was colder walking around in the rain than I was on the swim.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:42:01 GMT

it seems implausible to me that Trudy did not at least drink some water. so i only half believe that newspaper report. maybe NYCswims has additional historical accounts such a swim log, debriefings or diary pages from her support crew. on the other hand, Lisa Bier did fanatical research for her book. on the otherhand, Bier may have written book out of sociological interest, plus she simply may not have had been endurance athlete herself, or had enough exposure to our crowd for the no-food statement to have raised a red flag. regardless, if one reads accounts of survival such as Unbroken by Laura Hillenbrand, it is clear that people are capable of far more than what seems reasonable. so maybe Trudy did swim it without food/liquids. I think Mr NYC Swim has some incredible video footage of Gertie... and indeed some of it contradicts what was reported. thanks. online? where?

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:35:48 GMT

He then convinced me to jump in 52° water to swim the GG Bridge to Aquatic Park. One of my favorite swims EVER! It was truly glorious... (breakfast at Denny's, not so much)

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:34:10 GMT

I get that OW swimmers ... more willingness to be uncomfortable cold water is not uncomfortable. Well, that's a personal thing I guess. i agree. i should should have qualified my statement. regardless, it breaks your point, or at least that aspect of your point. cheers!

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:33:20 GMT

cold water is not uncomfortable. You are a walrus, goo goo a'gjoo

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:32:55 GMT

it seems implausible to me that Trudy did not at least drink some water. so i only half believe that newspaper report. maybe NYCswims has additional historical accounts such a swim log, debriefings or diary pages from her support crew. I think Mr NYC Swim has some incredible video footage of Gertie... and indeed some of it contradicts what was reported.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:27:00 GMT

cold water is not uncomfortable. Well, that's a personal thing I guess. I may not have swum in water colder than 55, but I've dived in 45 degree water. Diving in 80 degree water is more comfortable to me. Floating in 80 degree water is more comfortable than floating in 55 degree water to me.