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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://community.usms.org/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Open Water vs. Flip turns</title><link>https://community.usms.org/swimming/f/open-water-training-and-technique/24894/open-water-vs-flip-turns</link><description>Which is harder?
 
I figured flipturns are necessary for training to compensate for the continuous swimming in open water, especially in choppy conditions. But I finally came to the realization that I just can&amp;#39;t handle it beyond about a mile as the cumulative</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><item><title>RE: Open Water vs. Flip turns</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/266094?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:27:57 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:323a1c8e-a442-4b37-a51a-63fb16636a7a</guid><dc:creator>orca1946</dc:creator><description>Breath control will also help in the training. So flips would be good  for you .&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Open Water vs. Flip turns</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/266079?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:21:40 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:7cfdb028-19b8-4d71-a6cd-2ff1f7b5a8a7</guid><dc:creator>rtodd</dc:creator><description>If you are training for OW in a pool, open turns are out of the question.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Open Water vs. Flip turns</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/266046?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:28:31 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:4d4b3b13-d5b0-48ae-a1b4-113500a4df31</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>Yeah, I&amp;#39;ve been more of a sprinter doing intervals of distances never over 200 always doing flip turns.  Not doing them makes me feel like a hack and seems like a cop out, especially since I tend to want to take an extra breath on an open turn.  Since hanging on the wall for a second is not an option in open water I didn&amp;#39;t know if I was getting proper training without them, especially with the much more difficult conditions.
 
If I am wrong on the necessity of flip turns this makes it a lot easier.  I gave up hypoxic breathing for the same reason - I just can&amp;#39;t handle it and if I don&amp;#39;t like it I&amp;#39;m not going to do it any more.  
 
I thought I would do a couple open water races for fun and fitness during the summer,  go for some training swims while I&amp;#39;m at the beach.  I don&amp;#39;t know what I was thinking - now I&amp;#39;m swimming sets like 8 x 500 which is double yardage what I did in the pool season.  Distance swimming is hard as hell.  But I feel like I am in better shape than ever.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Open Water vs. Flip turns</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/265999?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:39:34 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:3cd77b00-5d1f-48ae-ab04-84a2ba14a3b6</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>Thanks for explaining. I did think one of the advantages of OW swimming is that I don&amp;#39;t need to learn flip turns :)&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Open Water vs. Flip turns</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/265944?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:09:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:a56c26e7-41a8-4d85-9cf3-bf1481099d3e</guid><dc:creator>Former Member</dc:creator><description>I&amp;#39;m a little confused: why would one need flip turns in open water?&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Open Water vs. Flip turns</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/265937?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:43:17 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:99ebca09-a8b4-477a-b113-bb5010904f22</guid><dc:creator>srcoyote</dc:creator><description>I&amp;#39;m not convinced that training with flip turns vs. open turns makes a difference in training for open water swimming unless its mental. The biggest difference in open water swimming is that my shoulders never get a rest on the turn, but that is mitigated by the more regular breathing and rhythm I get when there are no turns. I&amp;#39;d do whatever turns you feel comfortable with. . . and if, like me, pool training is your only option, swimming long course makes for better open water preparation.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Open Water vs. Flip turns</title><link>https://community.usms.org/thread/265989?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:27:49 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">3187ac58-ba85-4314-b79a-c45cd885e09a:fa5e52a9-bf22-4dc7-b951-5978880ab247</guid><dc:creator>srcoyote</dc:creator><description>I think Herb is referring to pool training in preparation for open water swimming possibly thinking that in such training, flip turns are preferable.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>