Yards to Short course meters (or even long course)

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Former Member — Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:57:52 GMT

I would give Southlake a better than even chance at hosting SCY Zones 2012. Cool - hopefully I'll be there then! There is no official 800 free, but you can either split request or talk to Bobby Patten about adding an event number for it which would probably just be combined with a 1500 heat. I think there were only 2 1500 heats last year and the year before. You know just after I posted it, I thought I could probably do a split request :doh:. Looking at last year's TT I reckon I have more chance for an 800 than 1500, maybe there are less on offer? Thanks for the reminder, I came in 11th in the 1500 last year. :badday: Sorry.....will now take foot out of mouth....

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Former Member — Wed, 20 Apr 2011 06:10:10 GMT

Thanks for the tips...I reckon Southlake is about 35/40 mins from me, maybe next year eh? As for the DAM meet, do they do an 800 free? My only motivation for the 1500 would be a possible top 10, and its a helluva long way to swim and come in 11th! I would give Southlake a better than even chance at hosting SCY Zones 2012. There is no official 800 free, but you can either split request or talk to Bobby Patten about adding an event number for it which would probably just be combined with a 1500 heat. I think there were only 2 1500 heats last year and the year before. Thanks for the reminder, I came in 11th in the 1500 last year. :badday:

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Former Member — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:16:42 GMT

:hijack: I like Southlake better because it is 25 minutes from home :) The meet was traditionally Friday/Saturday, last year it was Saturday/Sunday and this year it looks like it is only one day? If it is one day, the 1500 will probably be first as an early session with the main meet schedule to start "no earlier than" sometime, so only the 1500ers need to sit through that tedium. The water temp at SMU is not bad first thing in the morning, the 200 fly is in the middle of the meet, so if you deal with heat well, it shouldn't be any problem to swim both. If you don't deal with heat well, I wouldn't swim both. There should be plenty of time between them, but you will need to rehydrate intelligently after the 1500. Here is my write up on day 2 of the meet last year: forums.usms.org/blog.php Thanks for the tips...I reckon Southlake is about 35/40 mins from me, maybe next year eh? As for the DAM meet, do they do an 800 free? My only motivation for the 1500 would be a possible top 10, and its a helluva long way to swim and come in 11th! ...now to prove I've not gone completely off topic: 1500m open water at 23.12, would convert to 1500m LC at 22.43 taking 1 sec per turn, then take off a bit more for better fitness and I might bring it in under 22 if I catch the current in the pool right.........

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no200fly — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:02:50 GMT

as soon as someone gets it verified where Zones will be please post it here. I would much rather swim at USMS meet than a TAAF meet. I'm currently Unattached, but if I can make it to Zones, I would look into joining a team. Only interested in swimming *** and potentially Fly and IM. but until I see an order of events I won't be able to determine that. thanks Ryan You will like the Woodlands pool. You will enjoy the meet at SMU also, if you can come. When you are in Dallas if you need a place to swim, feel free to come swim with us at Town North Y - every weekday at 12 noon, Saturday at 7am. Finally, Waco is not that bad, you can water ski on lake Waco, hike and bike in Cameron Park, visit the Texas Ranger Museum and have a chicken fried steak and a Big O at George's. I spent two and a half years there when I was in school and we had a great time.

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Former Member — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:50:20 GMT

:hijack: Think I'll be giving Woodlands a miss I don't want anyone to mistake my statement, the Woodlands pool and the area around it are great. Driving for 3 or 4 hours in 100+ weather, even with the AC cranked to max isn't appealing to me. The Southlake and Woodlands pools are of equal quality, but the Woodlands has tons more parking, hotels with kitchens across the highway, a large nice strip mall with quick food options. I like Southlake better because it is 25 minutes from home :) then, but am still planning on attempting the 200 fly at SMU in June:drowning:. Now I need to pick my other events (if any) - maybe its not such a good idea to swim the 1500 on the same day? The meet was traditionally Friday/Saturday, last year it was Saturday/Sunday and this year it looks like it is only one day? If it is one day, the 1500 will probably be first as an early session with the main meet schedule to start "no earlier than" sometime, so only the 1500ers need to sit through that tedium. The water temp at SMU is not bad first thing in the morning, the 200 fly is in the middle of the meet, so if you deal with heat well, it shouldn't be any problem to swim both. If you don't deal with heat well, I wouldn't swim both. There should be plenty of time between them, but you will need to rehydrate intelligently after the 1500. Here is my write up on day 2 of the meet last year: forums.usms.org/blog.php

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Rykno — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 02:36:44 GMT

after a quick search I found the woodlands homepage and this link to the meet flyer www.wmst.net/.../Flyer-2011_SCZ-LC.pdf I like this part of the pool stats "down hill, both ways"

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Former Member — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:14:37 GMT

It is a nice facility. Driving to Houston at the end of July isn't so nice. I will be out of town/country that weekend, so I won't be there, but feel free to drive up for the DAM meet in June. With lots of warm water, hot sun and little rest, it is a great lactic workout. Think I'll be giving Woodlands a miss then, but am still planning on attempting the 200 fly at SMU in June:drowning:. Now I need to pick my other events (if any) - maybe its not such a good idea to swim the 1500 on the same day?

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Rykno — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:56:30 GMT

just got this answer via email "The Zone meet is at the new Woodlands indoor pool – great facility! "

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Former Member — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:36:19 GMT

just got this answer via email "The Zone meet is at the new Woodlands indoor pool – great facility! " It is a nice facility. Driving to Houston at the end of July isn't so nice. I will be out of town/country that weekend, so I won't be there, but feel free to drive up for the DAM meet in June. With lots of warm water, hot sun and little rest, it is a great lactic workout.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:17:43 GMT

... Houston ... isn't so nice...I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Rykno — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 06:09:22 GMT

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Former Member — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:32:18 GMT

Frequent hosts are CISD in Southlake, TX (North Texas) and CISD in Woodlands, TX (North of Houston). I don't see that the meet has been posted anywhere, nor a recent LMSC meeting minutes that might have mentioned it. Its showing on Dallas Aquatic Masters website, just dates, no info. I vote for Southlake as I probably wouldn't be up for a trip Houston way 2 days after returning from the UK!

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Former Member — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:35:54 GMT

:hijack:Any idea when we get to find where they are? and are they likely to be North Texas like last year? Frequent hosts are CISD in Southlake, TX (North Texas) and CISD in Woodlands, TX (North of Houston). I don't see that the meet has been posted anywhere, nor a recent LMSC meeting minutes that might have mentioned it.

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Rykno — Wed, 13 Apr 2011 02:39:13 GMT

Rykno, your tag says: "(visit Waco Texas for vacation)" WHY WACO? there are plenty of places in TX that are WAY WAY WAY nicer than WACO, let me know what days you're in Texas and I'll help plan what to do, mainly don't spend much time in WACO like July 2011 South Central Zone Championships Long Course Meters July 23 - 24 not sure where they are yet Ande Why Waco, because my parents moved there in '95 and when spending 3-5 weeks in the US it's much cheaper to stay with them than to live in hotels and eat out ;) We plan on going up to Dallas, down to San Antonio, and if it's not too hot (over 100) I might take my oldest (6yrs) to NASA for a day trip. We can't book our tickets until our 3rd baby comes. Anytime now! Because my wife wants the baby to get it's first set of vaccinations before we travel and the midwives in Sweden suggest the earliest is 10 weeks. so I am crossing my fingers we can get over there for the 4th of July and stay until 15th of aug so I can watch the Denver vs Dallas game. as soon as a location is made known for Zones I would much rather make plans for that meet than the Summer Games of Texas

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Former Member — Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:51:21 GMT

This is awfully stingy. I'd say it's more than 2 seconds for even the very fastest swimmers. For example, Cielo's WR in the 50 free is a 20.91. His fastest in yards is 18.47. So I'd say 2.5 to 3 seconds is more realistic for fast swimmers. geochuck is Canadian so I bet he is converting from SCM to LCM.

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Former Member — Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:27:30 GMT

like July 2011 South Central Zone Championships Long Course Meters July 23 - 24 not sure where they are yet :hijack:Any idea when we get to find where they are? and are they likely to be North Texas like last year?

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knelson — Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:08:31 GMT

1.5 to 2 seconds per 50 crawl. This is awfully stingy. I'd say it's more than 2 seconds for even the very fastest swimmers. For example, Cielo's WR in the 50 free is a 20.91. His fastest in yards is 18.47. So I'd say 2.5 to 3 seconds is more realistic for fast swimmers.

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Former Member — Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:36:35 GMT

1.5 to 2 seconds per 50 crawl.

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Former Member — Tue, 12 Apr 2011 05:16:58 GMT

It was a 1 time deal 25 yard pool 50 to a 50 meter in a LC pool. It was done the same day I could have messed up the turn in the yards pool.

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ande — Tue, 12 Apr 2011 03:11:56 GMT

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Rykno — Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:56:17 GMT

We just had our last SCM meet of the season and I had to work as an official. Next time I can swim SCM will be sept thanks for all the input. my best 100 *** SCM vs LCM as a master 1:13.42 vs 1:16.87 according to the site 1:16.08, since the LCM time was 6 months before the SCM time I would say that the SCM to LCM works. if I get to race this summer in Texas and it's yards I'll be able to compare june LCM to july SCY. it would be so cool to swim down around 1:05 in yards! my Lifetime best is 1:02.98 (1995)

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knelson — Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:15:48 GMT

geochuck is Canadian so I bet he is converting from SCM to LCM. I don't think so. No way a turn is worth two seconds. The world records in the men's 100 free are very close to two seconds different between short course and long course, so that tells me a turn is worth about a second (in freestyle).

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Former Member — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:31:20 GMT

The better your turn relative to your stroke, the faster your times will be relative to the distance. Make sense? If you have a fast flip, catapults for legs, a great streamline and some killer dolphin kicks, but are mediocre at the actual "swimming" part, you will rank from best to worst scy, scm, lcm. If the opposite is true, and your strength is swimming, not making use of walls, your best to worst course would be lcm, scm and scy. The well balanced swimmer will have the most accurate conversions. If your LCM time converts faster than your SCM time, your stroke is better than your turns, while if your SCM converts faster than your SCM time, your turns are better than your stroke. My 50 LCM times convert to times much faster than my best SCY time, which tells me there is easy improvements to be made by focusing on improving my walls, especially since my training usually gets lighter during the summer because of decreased lane space, and I spend 10 months of the year training SCY.

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jaadams1 — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:37:23 GMT

A+ for completeness! the altitude information was a nice touch. The altitude definitely made a difference that I could feel in most of the swims at Salt Lake City @ 4200 ft. (I normally practice @ 1200ft.). The swimming at 2200ft wasn't that big of a deal, but I could feel a little discomfort in the longer races (400s). I like going to sea level or close to it @ Seattle area.

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larsoda — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:36:43 GMT

Here's mine purely for statistical purposes. :D I'm only listing similar events that can be compared. BLUE = SCM --> SCY conversion with swimmingworld.com 200 Free 2:11.24 --> 1:57.59 SCY Oak Harbor (SCM) 11/21 1:54.59 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation 200 Free .................1:56.52 ORCA Meet (SCY) 3/12 ~200 ft. elevation 500 Free .................5:17.14 Lake Washington (SCY) 2/20 ~100 ft. elevation 400 Free 4:40.62 --> 5:20.75 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation 800 Free 9:54.00 --> 11:18.94 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation 1000 Free ...............10:53.88 ORCA Meet (SCY) 3/12 ~200 ft. elevation 200 Back 2:33.78 --> 2:17.79 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation 200 Back 2:29.60 --> 2:14.04 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation 200 Back .................2:15.94 PNA Champs (SCY) 4/9 ~200 ft. elevation 50 Fly 28.68 --> 25.70 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation 50 Fly 28.99 --> 25.98 SCY Oak Harbor (SCM) 11/21 57.34 SCY Oak Harbor (SCM) 11/21 2:14.18 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation 200 Fly 2:25.90 --> 2:10.73 SCY Oak Harbor (SCM) 11/21 2:09.22 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation 200 Fly .................2:06.07 PNA Champs (SCY) 4/9 ~200 ft. elevation 200 IM 2:28.80 --> 2:13.32 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation 200 IM .................2:10.30 Lake Washington (SCY) 2/20 ~100 ft. elevation 200 IM .................2:11.83 ORCA Meet (SCY) 3/12 ~200 ft. elevation 400 IM 5:19.04 --> 4:45.86 SCY NW (SCM) Zone 11/12-11/13 **~4200ft. elevation 400 IM .................4:39.78 Canby Animal Meet (SCY) 2/13 ~200 ft. elevation 400 IM 5:08.06 --> 4:36.02 SCY Coeur d'Alene Meet (SCM) 3/5 **~2200 ft. elevation 400 IM .................4:41.94 Inland NW Champs (SCY) 3/26 ~1000 ft. elevation 400 IM .................4:35.01 PNA Champs (SCY) 4/9 ~200 ft. elevation Conclusion: For the most part...it seems that my SCY swum events/times are faster than their comparable conversions from SCM. Also...elevation may need to be considered too. 2 of my SCM meets were at **4200 & 2200 ft of elevation. Other Conclusion: I like the 200 Fly :banana: A+ for completeness! the altitude information was a nice touch. Fantastic conclusion statement, too! I thought more data might yield more consistent results. It looks like, in your case, shorter races convert mostly to faster times and longer races convert mostly to slower times. Beats me if that says something about the conversion utility or not. It was an interesting read though. Thanks