Training age group and masters together

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tjrpatt — Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:19:21 GMT

I train with an childhood age group program about 3 or 4 days a week. It is much closer than my normal Masters program and the practices are way more challenging than my local Y's Masters group. In addition, there is always someone to train with at the age group practices. In the summer, I have to train with my usual Masters program because the start time is earlier. But, I will do the occasional evening workout with the AGers in the summer.

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aquajock — Fri, 08 Apr 2011 01:38:55 GMT

I swam several times with the Worthington Swim Club age-groupers during the summer when I went to visit my mom in Ohio. The coach was very accomodating - even let me come for 1.5 hours instead of the 2 hours since he thought it might be too long for me.

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Celestial — Thu, 07 Apr 2011 08:30:48 GMT

Lind, not Linn - and I think breastroke is a bit more natural than butterfly! No Wes is just one of many many young men who go under national QT in the breastroke - goes to a Jr.College here in Florida.

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swimshark — Thu, 07 Apr 2011 08:20:13 GMT

That’s terrific. You should be proud. Are you per chance related to USA Olympic breaststroker Jeremy Linn? Fast times like those must be genetic, since breaststroke is such an unnatural act.:bolt: He only has a sister in the northwest and her kids are younger. He's my coach :)

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Rob Copeland — Thu, 07 Apr 2011 03:09:09 GMT

I heck my own son goes near a minute on LCM and he's doing breastroke! :blush: (is this the smilie for "proud mama"?) That’s terrific. You should be proud. Are you per chance related to USA Olympic breaststroker Jeremy Linn? Fast times like those must be genetic, since breaststroke is such an unnatural act.:bolt:

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swimshark — Thu, 07 Apr 2011 02:51:19 GMT

I would, but I don't want to pay the costs of the age group training program. Something close to $100 a month, which is WAYYYYYY to steep for my wallet...especially considering I pay next to nothing (if not :2cents: or just the gas in my car to get there) to swim now. Better for the pocketbook! I wish mine were that cheap. As a stay at home mom, this is one of my guilty pleasures. QBrain, go for it. The ego may get bruised but you'll get a lot more out of it in the long run.

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Former Member — Wed, 06 Apr 2011 14:42:52 GMT

How many masters are training with USAS teams? Certainly a lot more than 1. I have been kicking the idea around for a while, but I doubt frail ego could handle it.

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Celestial — Wed, 06 Apr 2011 10:49:25 GMT

How many masters are training with USAS teams? Certainly a lot more than 1. I have been kicking the idea around for a while, but I doubt frail ego could handle it. Your frail ego is probably at least as hardy as mine. Once you put on your goggles and start swimming, no one knows how old you are anyways, and if you think it could help you, go for it! Of course I'm talking after a grand total of 4 practices!

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jaadams1 — Wed, 06 Apr 2011 02:59:54 GMT

How many masters are training with USAS teams? Certainly a lot more than 1. I have been kicking the idea around for a while, but I doubt frail ego could handle it. I would, but I don't want to pay the costs of the age group training program. Something close to $100 a month, which is WAYYYYYY to steep for my wallet...especially considering I pay next to nothing (if not :2cents: or just the gas in my car to get there) to swim now. Better for the pocketbook!

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swimshark — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 08:57:23 GMT

I guess it kinda depends on who the 17 year olds are! We have several national & jr.national qualifiers & finalists on our little team, so I try and stay in the slower lane! I mean seriously, I would be really happy to go under a minute in a 100 YARD free, and several of them go below that on 100 LCM free - heck my own son goes near a minute on LCM and he's doing breastroke! :blush: (is this the smilie for "proud mama"?) Oh, same here as far as the slower lane. But there are a few I can beat. My team just won ASCA Nationals and with 6 or 7 of them from my group qualifying for Sr. Nationals. You should be a proud mom for that achievement.

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Celestial — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 07:55:13 GMT

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Former Member — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:18:57 GMT

I might actually be able to keep up with the 13 year olds. . . With enough determination, you can keep up with, and beat, the 17 year olds too :) Back to topic... I stopped swimming with age groupers years ago, they just get in my way. :)

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Celestial — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 08:27:30 GMT

I had registered with USA-S, but purely for the purpose of competition. I swim either with my Masters practice group, or on my own at the YMCA lap swim times. In order to compete in a USA-S meet, the swimmer must be registered with that program (USMS does not work for this). I could swim with the local club team kids, but then that gets into a whole new $$$$$ range that I'm not willing to fork out at any time. I'm just registered as "unattached" within my LSC for meets...next one (LCM) is 2 weeks after USMS Nationals. :applaud: Do you know, I think the silly man (the coach, I mean) actually thinks to use me on relays at the LCM meet we host!! I'm not sure my son will appreciate this - well, he might get a good laugh out of it. I train with the kids because my job really prohibits my training with my age mates at lunch time. In another 3-4 weeks, I might actually be able to keep up with the 13 year olds. . .

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swimshark — Mon, 04 Apr 2011 08:25:34 GMT

With enough determination, you can keep up with, and beat, the 17 year olds too :) Back to topic... I stopped swimming with age groupers years ago, they just get in my way. :) I practice with age groupers and am on a USA-S team. There are days when I can keep up with some of the 17 year olds but some are so super fast!

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jaadams1 — Sun, 03 Apr 2011 09:39:35 GMT

Masters Swimmers at Practice Question: A member of the United States Masters Swimming, Inc. practices with a USA Swimming team. What is the status of the liability insurance for the USA Swimming member club and its members? Answer: This would be an insured activity. There is an agreement between USA Swimming and USMS allowing their members to practice with either organization as long as a USA Swimming member coach is on deck It seems like there should be no issues having the two groups practicing together as far as USA Swimming is concerned. Makes me wonder why we have such a draconian policy at our pool. I'll have to investigate. I agree - I just joined the kids team & had to fork over another $57 to become registered with USA swimming. I think perhaps the USA coach doesn't know about the collaboration between USA & USMS (which is silly) I had registered with USA-S, but purely for the purpose of competition. I swim either with my Masters practice group, or on my own at the YMCA lap swim times. In order to compete in a USA-S meet, the swimmer must be registered with that program (USMS does not work for this). I could swim with the local club team kids, but then that gets into a whole new $$$$$ range that I'm not willing to fork out at any time. I'm just registered as "unattached" within my LSC for meets...next one (LCM) is 2 weeks after USMS Nationals. :applaud:

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Former Member — Sun, 03 Apr 2011 09:34:13 GMT

I found some information on this topic here... www.usaswimming.org/.../INSURANCE COVERAGES REV July 2010 WEB.pdf Where it says: Non-Member Question: What happens to my club’s insurance if non USA Swimming members are in the water at the same time as USA Swimming members. e.g., at a USA Swimming practice? Answer: This is not an insured activity unless: a. There is a distinct lane separation (USA Swimming members are in lanes 1-3 and non USA Swimming members are in lanes 4-6). One coach cannot supervise both groups at the same time. b. An individual(s) is involved in a USA Swimming tryout. c. The non USA Swimming members are USMS members. In order for the General Liability coverage to be in place for a USA Swimming Local Member Club, see page 6 for the requirements. and then... Parents Working Out Same Time as Team Question: Some parents want to workout (laps) while their children are at swim team practice. Answer: Two different situations. If they want to swim with their kids in the same lanes while the kids are practicing, they have to join USA Swimming as an athlete member. If they are swimming in separate lanes and are not being coached by the USA Swimming club coach, they don't have to join. However, this activity is not an insured activity. and then... Masters Swimmers at Practice Question: A member of the United States Masters Swimming, Inc. practices with a USA Swimming team. What is the status of the liability insurance for the USA Swimming member club and its members? Answer: This would be an insured activity. There is an agreement between USA Swimming and USMS allowing their members to practice with either organization as long as a USA Swimming member coach is on deck It seems like there should be no issues having the two groups practicing together as far as USA Swimming is concerned. Makes me wonder why we have such a draconian policy at our pool. I'll have to investigate.

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Former Member — Sun, 03 Apr 2011 09:30:17 GMT

I'm reading the USA Swimming information on background checks. There is some discretion left to the club leadership how to implement the requirements for anyone who is not a USAS athlete. The materials just talk about coaches, parents and other volunteers; but I suppose it could apply to Masters. The LSC also has some discretion. All it takes are a few complaints from swim parents about Masters to get a parent board to set this type of club policy. Paying Masters dues but getting the more expensive Seniors workouts, adults "staring at their teenager" underwater, only wearing a swimsuit (??), "incidental" body contact with the kids. What a world.

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Celestial — Sun, 03 Apr 2011 08:58:07 GMT

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Former Member — Sun, 03 Apr 2011 05:13:26 GMT

Our team stopped allowing masters swimmers to share any lanes with our age group swimmers sometime late last year. I seem to recall hearing that this rule had come from USA Swimming.

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gdanner — Sun, 03 Apr 2011 03:31:54 GMT

I'm dual registered and train with a USA-S club team. As far as I know, there is nothing from USA-S that prohibits this. Our head coach is the Eastern Zone Director, so I'd be surprised to hear otherwise.

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Former Member — Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:08:57 GMT

A masters swimmer can also be a USAS swimmer if they spring for the 2 memberships. There are plenty of dual registered masters.

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Former Member — Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:13:06 GMT

I am an employee of USMS. Feel free to call me if you need more information. The insurance section of our Guide to Operations can be found on our web site under the "Administration" tab. The direct link is: www.usms.org/.../ In the Frequently Asked Questions link you will see this: 3. A member of USA Swimming practices with a USMS team. What is the status of the liability insurance for the USMS member club and its members? The USMS liability insurance is in full force for the USMS members. There is an unwritten agreement between USMS and USA Swimming permitting each other’s members to practice with one another. However, USMS coverage does not apply to the USA Swimming members, nor does USA Swimming coverage apply to the USMS members. However, the USA Swimming coverage is only in effect if there is a USA Swimming certified coach supervising the practice. See the coverage grid on the second page of this document for complete details: Certificate of liablility insurance Anna Lea Matysek 941-556-6279

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Paul Smith — Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:07:57 GMT

interesting topic for those that are in situations to do both....we have masters swimmers that train with our senior group and senior kids that on occasion train with our masters...PM me if you want to discuss in more detail!

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orca1946 — Sat, 02 Apr 2011 07:18:20 GMT

Call in the legal eagles !!:worms: