2011 NCAAs

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Frank Thompson — Sun, 03 Apr 2011 01:56:34 GMT

Skip, are the results from previous NCAA championships available to the public somewhere? The only previous NCAA results that I know about online are the ones Ande linked from the NCAA website that go back to 2000. On the USA Swimming site they had the results as far back as the late 1980's and the Swimming World website did to about 7 or 8 years ago. Since both sites have been revamped in the last couple of years I think now you can only go back to 2000. One place that used to publish all NCAA Championship results, College Conference Meets, High School State Championships, and All American lists for both College Swimming and High School Swimming was the Official Collegiate Scholastic Swimming Guide. They had them for all sports as far back as the 1920's and had them when I was in High School/College and I used to collect them until they stop publishing them. 1982 was the last year that these Scholastic Guides for all sports were published. I have all of the years for the 1960's and 1970's. They used to feature a Swimmer on the cover and there have been USMS Masters swimmers on the cover. The 1973 cover had Jim McConica and the 1977 cover had Jim Montgomery. When they quite publishing those, the only place that I know of that had this information was in the Swimming World magazines. They have all of the Swimming World magazines from 1960 on the website but you have to be a premium member to download them. I have almost all the NCAA results from the 1980's and 1990's because I saved my Swimming World magazines. I have never been able to find anything online from past meets. The NCAA site just lists the NCAA Champions for the events and the team champions for all of the Divisions.

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Chris Stevenson — Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:29:59 GMT

You are correct that 1966 was the first time consolation finals for the next 6 places were added to the NCAA Championship.... Skip, are the results from previous NCAA championships available to the public somewhere?

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Frank Thompson — Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:05:12 GMT

Both the NCAA Championship meets will be on ESPN U TV this next week and both times are EST. Women on 4-05-11 from 1:30 to 3:00 PM. Men on 4-06-11 from 1:30 to 3:00 PM.

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ande — Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:17:21 GMT

The NCAAs will show on ESPN on: Friday, Mar. 25 07:45 PM (eastern) SWIMMING NCAA NCAA Men's Swimming & Diving Championship presented by Enterprise Rent-A-Car Saturday, Mar. 26 07:45 PM (eastern) SWIMMING NCAA NCAA Men's Swimming & Diving Championship presented by Enterprise Rent-A-Car Catch all of the action from the Aquatic Center at the University of Minnesota. Watch Replay 2011 Men's Div 1 NCAAs 2011 NCAA Division 1 Men's Swimming and Diving Championships March 24 - 26, 2011 Minneapolis, Minn University of Minnessota Aquatic Center RESULTS WATCH 2011 Men's NCAA official psych sheet Minnesota NCAA site Wonder who will wear what? Women's 2011 NCAA's 2011 NCAA Division 1 Women's Swimming and Diving Championships Results Ande's photos from the 2011 Women's NCAAs in Austin Archive of Men's & Women's results

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Frank Thompson — Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:43:38 GMT

You can go over to ESPN 3 right now and scroll to the sport of swimming and the menu will you show you the NCAA Championships presented by Enterprise Rent-A-Car. You will see both the 1650 Free and 200 Fly and any other events you want. The 1650 Free is shown in its entirety and you can see the swimming and hear the announcer call out the splits and talking about the different strategies. Grodzki and LaTourettee were under 7:15 to set a blistering pace at the half way point and it was a classic with 4 swimmers battling. Grodzki, LaTourettee, McLean, and the eventual winner McBroom. McBroom did not take the lead until the 1200 mark and they pointed out that he used to swim for Minnesota and transferred to Texas so he had a kind of a home pool advantage.

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Former Member — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:40:44 GMT

In the NCAA Division 1 history, I believe there has been two swimmers that have had the faster time in the consolation finals than swimmers in the finals. Frank I thought the same thing about the 800 free relay. Texas didn't swim well there and it could have made all the difference. Even Hill's anchor leg, if he just split a 1:33, would have moved Texas up to 6th. Regarding your question: I remember a women did it in the 500 maybe 2003? Perhaps from Arizona? I think she was a freshman?

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Former Member — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:00:44 GMT

Anyone know where or if there are videos are posted of the meet? I'm particularly interested in the 1650 and 200 fly finals. Great racing!

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Frank Thompson — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:05:53 GMT

Frank, I don't have access to the ncaa archives, but I believe that the 1966 ncaa's at Air Force was the first time they had consol finals. I also remember that the winner of consols in the 50 free had the fastest time. Someone I had never heard of before. Interestingly, a high shool friend from Florida and I were tied for the number one seed going into the meet. He sprained his ankle messing around in his fraternity house a week before the meet and was on crutches. I had just gotten out of the infirmary after a 2 week bout with pneumonia. If memory serves, I lost in a swim off for consols and he didn't make it that far. Maybe my masters "career" could be catagorized as unfinished business. Rich Rich: You are correct that 1966 was the first time consolation finals for the next 6 places were added to the NCAA Championship. And you are also correct that the 7th place swimmer beat the time of the NCAA Champion winner and this is the first time this has ever happened in NCAA history. The swimmer that won was named James "Sandy" Van Kennen and his time was :21. 39 and the year before this swimmer won the College Division 50 Free which was like what Divison II is today. The 7th place swimmer was named Robert Graham from Texas Tech and he swam a :21.37 to beat the NCAA Champion. He qualified in 12th place at 21.8 and had to have a swim off with you to get that spot. I think the guy you are referring to from Florida was named Ed T. Dioguardi because in the 1965 NCAA meet he swam a time of :21.4 in prelims and that was the same time that you had in the finals when you got 2nd place to Steve Clark. He did a :21.7 to finish 5th in 1965 and he did :22.0 and finished 21st in 1966 so you remember well. I looked this up because I have this info so I don't want anybody to think that I would remember this. Hugh Roddin used to swim with one of the fastest 50 guys of this period named Phil Denkevitz at Maryland. He was super fast for a 50 and could hold his own in a 100 but could absolutely not swim a decent Long Course Meters swim in sprint free. Perhaps you remember him.

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Rich Abrahams — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:28:35 GMT

The one event you would think this would happen in is the 50 Free because that event seems to have the closest races from 1st to 8th. With that said, in 1978 this happened in the 50 Free. In those days you had to place top 6 to qualify to make the finals. Places 7th through 12th would be the consolation finals. Scott Findorff from USC qualified 7th in 1978 in the 50 Free and in the final was the only swimmer to go under 20 seconds and won the event at 19.94 for a pool record at Long Beach and Andy Coan of Tennesse won the event in the final at :20.29. The only other swimmer I can think of that also accomplished this at the NCAA Div 1 meet was Chris Kemp, a JR from Texas, in 2002 in the 200 Free. He qualified 9th and in the final swam a 1:34.41 to the winning time of 1:34.67 by Stephen Sioui, a FR from Florida and his time was also a pool record at Georgia. I am sure there are others out there but it does not happen ofter especially with the 8 person field as opposed to the 6 person field. Frank, I don't have access to the ncaa archives, but I believe that the 1966 ncaa's at Air Force was the first time they had consol finals. I also remember that the winner of consols in the 50 free had the fastest time. Someone I had never heard of before. Interestingly, a high shool friend from Florida and I were tied for the number one seed going into the meet. He sprained his ankle messing around in his fraternity house a week before the meet and was on crutches. I had just gotten out of the infirmary after a 2 week bout with pneumonia. If memory serves, I lost in a swim off for consols and he didn't make it that far. Maybe my masters "career" could be catagorized as unfinished business. Rich

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Frank Thompson — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:13:43 GMT

Frank I thought the same thing about the 800 free relay. Texas didn't swim well there and it could have made all the difference. Even Hill's anchor leg, if he just split a 1:33, would have moved Texas up to 6th. Regarding your question: I remember a women did it in the 500 maybe 2003? Perhaps from Arizona? I think she was a freshman? The one event you would think this would happen in is the 50 Free because that event seems to have the closest races from 1st to 8th. With that said, in 1978 this happened in the 50 Free. In those days you had to place top 6 to qualify to make the finals. Places 7th through 12th would be the consolation finals. Scott Findorff from USC qualified 7th in 1978 in the 50 Free and in the final was the only swimmer to go under 20 seconds and won the event at 19.94 for a pool record at Long Beach and Andy Coan of Tennesse won the event in the final at :20.29. The only other swimmer I can think of that also accomplished this at the NCAA Div 1 meet was Chris Kemp, a JR from Texas, in 2002 in the 200 Free. He qualified 9th and in the final swam a 1:34.41 to the winning time of 1:34.67 by Stephen Sioui, a FR from Florida and his time was also a pool record at Georgia. I am sure there are others out there but it does not happen ofter especially with the 8 person field as opposed to the 6 person field.

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Elaine Krugman — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:09:24 GMT

Thank You. Look forward to meeting you in Mesa at Nationals. You, too! Thanks! :)

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Frank Thompson — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:06:36 GMT

Thank You. Look forward to meeting you in Mesa at Nationals.

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Elaine Krugman — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:04:11 GMT

No, they did not have tech suits in 2010. They did have them in 2009. Frank, I'm going to :hijack:for a moment to say I enjoyed the write-up about you in Swimmer Magazine! :applaud:

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Frank Thompson — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:49:54 GMT

Did they have "the suits" last year? I can't remember. No, they did not have tech suits in 2010. They did have them in 2009.

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Karen Duggan — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:47:13 GMT

Did they have "the suits" last year? I can't remember.

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Frank Thompson — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:16:47 GMT

looks like the Longhorns came to swim Last year Texas beat Cal by 24.5 points and this year Cal beat Texas by 22.5 points. Not to be a Monday morning Quarterback, but as good as Texas swam in all there events, there is one event that tipped the Championship in Cal's favor. The 800 Free Relay, which has always been a strength for Texas and never for Cal since the days of Matt Biondi. Cal scored 28 points in that event getting 5th to Texas getting 9th scoring 18 points and that is a 20 point swing. Going into the meet, Texas was ranked 6th and Cal was ranked 9th giving Texas an 8 point advantage. The surprise were the swimmers for Texas seed times from the last year should have had them easily in the top 3. I thought they would be fighting for 2nd with Virginia behind Florida. With Dyer being sick, this opened up this relay to all the teams. Last year Texas went a 6:12.77 to 6:23.77 this year and they had two of the same guys plus Dax Hill who went a faster time in the 200 Free individual event than both David Walters and Ricky Berens and the relay should have easily went under 6:18.00 The splits last year vs this year were: Scott Jostes 1:33.25 to his split this year of 1:36.08, Neil Caskey went a 1:33.86 to his split this year of 1:36.61. David Walters went a 1:32.76 and Ricky Berens went 1:32.90 for the 2010 Relay. Freshmen Woody Joy went 1:35.75 so you would expect the relay to be 2 seconds slower there. The big surprise is Dax Hill who was 2nd in the individual event with a 1:32.64 went 1:35.33 split anchoring the relay. The cumulative effect of was 11 seconds slower than 2010 and 13.62 seconds slower than 2009. This is only the 2nd time in 24 years that Texas has not made the top 8 in this event. They have won this event 11 times in the last 24 years, been 2nd 5 of 24 years, and 3rd and 4th two times each in those 24 years. Cal almost lost 11 points in the 100 Free. Nathan Adrian was less than one tenth of second from getting 9th in the prelims and he though he won if Scott Robinson goes one tenth faster he is looking at getting 9th with a 41.10 and getting 9 points instead of the 20 points for winning. In the NCAA Division 1 history, I believe there has been two swimmers that have had the faster time in the consolation finals than swimmers in the finals.

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Allen Stark — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:51:25 GMT

I couldn't get the streaming to work.Are the swims going to be broadcast,when and where?

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knelson — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:18:51 GMT

I just looked at the results. When I saw Texas actually took the lead at one point my jaw dropped. Incredible effort by them to make it a dogfight till the end, but congrats to Cal for winning both the women's and men's championship!

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Karen Duggan — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:01:08 GMT

Just since I met the Durdens. :D I went to Chico State. (CAL is actually a wee bit too liberal for me! LOL) I am just so incredibly impressed with Dave's coaching. He is so talented. These coaches don't come along very often. And his wife has helped me, and my daughter, with our swimming too. They are both phenomenal.

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ande — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:26:19 GMT

he's McZoom tough meet, the horns really rallied on Sunday, we had several key swimmers who weren't "on." Several didn't swim as fast as they did in conference unshaved. I loved the streaming video, if for no other reason than I finally got to watch a whole 1650 'televised' from start to finish! That was a great race race to watch. Props to McBroom for dropping 18 seconds off his personal best and bringing home Texas' first ever 1650 NCAA title. Sweet.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 08:45:51 GMT

CBC TV in Canada will show both events as well if they have a swimmer in the final and in 2005 and 2007 World Championships they showed the whole event because they had Brittany Reimer and Ryan Cochrane.I was fortunately in Canada in 2005 on vacation and caught GREAT coverage of World Championships, no doubt bolstered by them hosting the event. I might have to try streaming their coverage again for London since Cochrane is bound to be a favorite.

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That Guy — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:25:08 GMT

I can pretty well assure you we won't get to see either the 800 or 1500 in it's entirety. Hell, NBC probably would like to have a commercial break during the 400s if they could manage to fit them in. During the 2008 Olympic Trials, the streaming coverage went to a black screen in place of each commercial break. During the second "break" in the 1500, the piano dropped on Erik Vendt. When the coverage resumed, all of a sudden Vendt was well behind the leaders instead of right with them. NBC would rather show us NOTHING than have us not see a commercial break :bitching:

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knelson — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 03:57:47 GMT

I can pretty well assure you we won't get to see either the 800 or 1500 in it's entirety. Hell, NBC probably would like to have a commercial break during the 400s if they could manage to fit them in.

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Frank Thompson — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 03:04:03 GMT

It just didn't look well when you see the first 400, commerical break, and then last 200. NBC really needs to show the whole 1500 and women's 800 next year. Do they any commerical breaks or summarized coverage of the 1500 in Australia? I have VHS tapes of the full 800 and 1500 Free from trades I made over the years with others that have taped Australian swims on TV. They almost always show the both events at Commonwealth Games, World Championships, and Olympics. CBC TV in Canada will show both events as well if they have a swimmer in the final and in 2005 and 2007 World Championships they showed the whole event because they had Brittany Reimer and Ryan Cochrane. I have only seen both the 800 Free and 1500 Free shown in its entirety once on USA TV and that was in 1992 when NBC had a special package that you could buy with your cable service that would show all Olympic events live without commercial interruption. I remember seeing both Janet Evans and Kieren Perkins swims live on TV in its entirety.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 02:01:46 GMT

Congrats to Cal. It takes some awesome, awesome swimming by a whole team of guys to win this thing without divers. I loved the streaming video, if for no other reason than I finally got to watch a whole 1650 'televised' from start to finish! That was a great race race to watch. Props to McBroom for dropping 18 seconds off his personal best and bringing home Texas' first ever 1650 NCAA title. Sweet.