The new reality

RE: The new reality

Former Member — Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:00:18 GMT

:smooch: I like your smiley's and fonts...

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Former Member — Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:34:35 GMT

For a full reality check, try losing the jammers and kneeskins. BTW: ElaineK, you're OK. :agree:

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Elaine Krugman — Tue, 21 Dec 2010 07:03:34 GMT

I like your smiley's and fonts... Thanks! You get a :bighug: AND a :smooch: from me! :groovy:

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Speedo — Tue, 21 Dec 2010 04:38:39 GMT

For a full reality check, try losing the jammers and kneeskins.Oh, come on... tell me you've noticed a 0.1sec per 50 difference.

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Elaine Krugman — Tue, 21 Dec 2010 04:06:19 GMT

BTW: ElaineK, you're OK. :agree: :smooch:

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Former Member — Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:52:12 GMT

Bump. Excellent, Gull. I'm fine with it too, though I still miss and vastly prefer the full body speed suits. My times comparison in SCM from 2009/2010 -- all done tapered at NE Champs in December for a relatively "apples to apples" comparison. (Skipped the 100 IM this year.) 50 fly: 29.6/30.3 = +.7 50 ***: 37.6/38.9 = +1.3 50 free: 28.2/28.7 = +.5 (but 4th event of the day) 50 back: 31.14/31.14 = same time 100 fly: 1:09.8/1:10.2 = +.4 100 back: 1:09.5/1:10.2 = +.7 I added time in all my events except the 50 back, but much less time than I had anticipated. My short axis 50s suffered more than my long axis 50s, also as anticipated. Overall, I was very pleased because I expected to be 2-3 seconds off in the stroke 100s, especially in SCM. I have heard it "is theorized" that the sprint backstrokes are the least effected of the 4 strokes. In my case, that would seem to be true. Oh, and evilstroke without a speed suit absolutely sucks. However, happily I did not DQ. :D Yay, Leslie! I'm okay with the new reality, too. Unusual results, but only two events to compare: 50 SCM ***: - 2009: 31.22 (B70 Nero Comp) - 2010: 31.33 (Speedo FSII Jammer) 100 SCM *** - 2009: 1:10.02 (B70 Nero Comp) - 2010: 1:11.74 (Speedo FSII Jammer) By my thinking, the suit adjustment factor must be some function of distance/race speed, affecting short sprint races much less than longer ones and middle/distance events.

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The Fortress — Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:53:15 GMT

I am OK with the new reality. Bump. Excellent, Gull. I'm fine with it too, though I still miss and vastly prefer the full body speed suits. My times comparison in SCM from 2009/2010 -- all done tapered at NE Champs in December for a relatively "apples to apples" comparison. (Skipped the 100 IM this year.) 50 fly: 29.6/30.3 = +.7 50 ***: 37.6/38.9 = +1.3 50 free: 28.2/28.7 = +.5 (but 4th event of the day) 50 back: 31.14/31.14 = same time 100 fly: 1:09.8/1:10.2 = +.4 100 back: 1:09.5/1:10.2 = +.7 I added time in all my events except the 50 back, but much less time than I had anticipated. My short axis 50s suffered more than my long axis 50s, also as anticipated. Overall, I was very pleased because I expected to be 2-3 seconds off in the stroke 100s, especially in SCM. I have heard it "is theorized" that the sprint backstrokes are the least effected of the 4 strokes. In my case, that would seem to be true. Oh, and evilstroke without a speed suit absolutely sucks. However, happily I did not DQ. :D

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Former Member — Tue, 07 Dec 2010 07:28:21 GMT

Good job Gull! Thanks.

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swimshark — Tue, 07 Dec 2010 02:19:02 GMT

So this weekend I re-tapered and re-shaved for our Zones meet in San Antonio. I wore a pair of LZR Elite jammers instead of my Aquablades. In the 400 free I dropped over three seconds from the DAM meet two weeks ago, just six seconds off my best time in a Blue Seventy full body suit. Then, in the 800, I swam a personal best, finishing a full second faster than my goal time. More importantly, I held it together both mentally and physically for the entire race, finally dispatching the demons that have slowed me down in the past. This was probably my most satisfying swim ever. Finally, this morning wearing my Endurance jammers I swam a timed 300 (from a pushoff) ten seconds faster than I ever have before in practice, equalling my 500 race pace in Atlanta (when I was wearing my Blue Seventy). I am OK with the new reality. Good job Gull!

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Former Member — Mon, 06 Dec 2010 15:57:47 GMT

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ande — Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:35:58 GMT

Good swims gull, great to see you this weekend I prefer full body suits, but Jammer's aren't so bad. I was pretty far off in some races and close in others close ones were: 50 br 2009 31.49 2010 32.0 50 bk 2007 27.40 2010 27.70 50 fl 2009 26.36 2010 26.7 I think I could have done a better 100 IM & 100 fl this weekend but chose not to swim those events. IM 1:03.5 in Tempe and 1:00.14 last year FL 1:01.9 in tempe & 58.0 last year at Long Beach It is possible to beat suit times in just jammers, but for most it will take some serious training. what was your 300 time in practice? Ande So this weekend I re-tapered and re-shaved for our Zones meet in San Antonio. I wore a pair of LZR Elite jammers instead of my Aquablades. In the 400 free I dropped over three seconds from the DAM meet two weeks ago, just six seconds off my best time in a Blue Seventy full body suit. Then, in the 800, I swam a personal best, finishing a full second faster than my goal time. More importantly, I held it together both mentally and physically for the entire race, finally dispatching the demons that have slowed me down in the past. This was probably my most satisfying swim ever. Finally, this morning wearing my Endurance jammers I swam a timed 300 (from a pushoff) ten seconds faster than I ever have before in practice, equalling my 500 race pace in Atlanta (when I was wearing my Blue Seventy). I am OK with the new reality.

RE: The new reality

Former Member — Mon, 06 Dec 2010 06:57:46 GMT

what was your 300 time in practice? 3:19

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Patrick W. Brundage — Mon, 06 Dec 2010 03:17:27 GMT

Anybody dare to propose an alternative?I'll try to remember to model the differential 2010 vs 2011 once we have the full SCY season. With enough data -- and the assumption that all other things were equal -- we can develop a mathematical estimate of this effect.

RE: The new reality

jim thornton — Mon, 06 Dec 2010 02:25:16 GMT

If you haven't had a chance yet to post your answer to my poll, please consider doing so. It's specifically for the 100 SCY freestyle, for men, from this season (in a jammer) to last season (in a speed suit), for comparable mid season meets. For this particular poll, I left out women because the currently legal women's suits, though representing a significant departure from last year's legal suits, seem to me less of a change than what men are dealing with. Even if this is no the case, I thought it best not to muddy the waters with apples to oranges comparisons (even if it eventually turns out that the apples and oranges are identical fruits.) But enough analogizing. As of now, with 15 votes counted, about 1/3rd of men have seen no time change or actually swum faster in jammers. The rest have seen some slowing down effects, with the bulk being somewhere between 1-2 seconds slower in the 100 free, though some have slowed even more dramatically. You can add your own experience here: forums.usms.org/showthread.php My prediction is that the SCY top 10 times in the 100 free will be somewhere between 1-2 seconds slower on average this year compared to last year, that is, factoring out new speed demons aging up. What I mean is that, on average, the same person--barring any major change in training, and assuming he swims under reasonably comparable meet conditions this year compared to last year--will be expected to swim maybe 1.9 seconds slower, this based on a 100 somewhere in the 49-56 second range (I am not talking about those who go sub 40 or a lot over 1 minute because here the percentage of total time becomes more of a factor.) This then is my official prediction! 1.9 seconds slower! As evidence for this, consider the legendary Jack Groselle. This year, at the Bridge the Bay Course: SCM Date: Nov 13-14, 2010 he posted a 57.26 (I know! This is SCM, not SCY, but it's as close as I can find to comparable elite performances.) Last year, at 2009 GRIN Fall Classic Course: SCM Date: Oct 31 - Nov 1, 2009 (roughly the same time of the year) he posted a 55.36 for the same distance. The difference is 1.9 seconds, and I have no idea the order of events, whether he was sick this year, if he had a bad start, if one pool was "faster" than the other, or any of the other endless fudge factors we all believe are critically important in how fast we go. The one thing I know for certain is that he wore different suits in the late fall of 2009 and 2010, and the latter suit was associated with a 1.9 second slower 100. Granted, 1.9 seconds for Jack is a larger percentage of a 100 than it is for us slower swimmers, so it's possible we might slow down even more. But I won't gild the lily too much here. I think 1.9 is a reasonable prediction for most of us. Anybody dare to propose an alternative?

RE: The new reality

orca1946 — Mon, 06 Dec 2010 01:32:52 GMT

I made O times for nats this year from last year's state meet. Let's see what happens without the tech suit ???

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Former Member — Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:54:28 GMT

How do you ladies even consider wearing knee skins? They are so ugly! I get really bad razor burn around my bikini line because my hair is dark and coarse, and the stubble grows back in about four hours. Kneeskins are awesome.

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That Guy — Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:35:43 GMT

And, like That Guy, I like Smilies! I find :worms: it's best to deploy :bed: them at random. :cake: Geek's online persona seems to align between lawful neutral and lawful evil, so it's natural that he'd clash with your 100% lawful good. You guys :anim_coffee: should try :cheerleader: chaotic neutral, it's fun! :chug:

RE: The new reality

Former Member — Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:00:06 GMT

A new reality indeed. I used to think that smileys were a result of the author having a lack of the language, or an inability to express the meaning of the message. I now think differently. I find :worms: it's best to deploy :bed: them at random. :cake: Deep in this message is sage advice. Study it grasshoppers, and you can walk the rice paper, snatch the stone and begin the quest for nirvana. However, I still think that the blue font is annoying.

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swimshark — Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:35:50 GMT

So glad I wasn't competing during the "speed suit" era - saved me some cash, and now some tears! I still can't forget my old high school times, but luckily, as I age, their veracity seems more and more unlikely!! How do you ladies even consider wearing knee skins? They are so ugly! I'm not sure I'm fast enough for an expensive "tech suit" to make any difference anyways!! I'm nervous as heck about entering my first masters meet in over 10 years! Yikes - can I dive in with a towel around me? and over my head? The kneeskins don't bother me at all. Okay, the only thing that bothers me is that I get colder sitting around in a wet, longer suit vs a tank. Oh and my circa 2000 but legal suit only cost $30 at Nationals. That's why I bought 2. Once these wear out, I'm going to have to spend more but if you shop around, you can find ones that aren't too expensive. But, no I won't be framing the suit when it wears out. It will be sent to the woman who uses it for quilt stuffing. It's just another suit to me.

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That Guy — Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:37:00 GMT

Sorry, can't let this one slide. Lawful is opposed by Chaotic, so Gook (notice it rhymes with 'dook'?) would have to be Chaotic Evil for that natural clash to occur. OK, I definately need to get of the basement of the science building here. I :badday: see what you're :bump: saying here. I guess :blah: the heart of the matter :afraid: is whether trolling :cheerleader: is inherently chaotic. Perhaps:anim_coffee: it is.

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Celestial — Wed, 24 Nov 2010 03:08:21 GMT

Oh and my circa 2000 but legal suit only cost $30 at Nationals. Well that's refreshing!! I know how much I spent on my son's Fast skins & he grows like a weed, so I was shelling out $300 three times a year for 2 years in a row!! I have noticed places like Swim Outlet.com have them for much less than the original prices.

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Elaine Krugman — Wed, 24 Nov 2010 02:53:51 GMT

so it's natural that he'd clash with your 100% lawful good. :smooch:

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pwolf66 — Wed, 24 Nov 2010 02:36:10 GMT

Geek's online persona seems to align between lawful neutral and lawful evil, so it's natural that he'd clash with your 100% lawful good. Sorry, can't let this one slide. Lawful is opposed by Chaotic, so Gook (notice it rhymes with 'dook'?) would have to be Chaotic Evil for that natural clash to occur. OK, I definately need to get of the basement of the science building here.

RE: The new reality

Former Member — Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:57:55 GMT

And, he sure isn't nice on the forums! I've lost count of the PM's I have received from people who think he is NOT nice at all. much as i hate to, i would concur with the wook; geek is pretty OK in person, this might mean that some of the other forumites are actually human as well... (anyone want to touch this one?)

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Former Member — Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:48:53 GMT

It would be much more respected if someone with swimming chops, like Chaos, chimed in with his opinions on the topic. i agree with peter.... tar heels are losers. (what sport are we talking about?)