Relay ages - total of 4 swimmers

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jroddin — Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:58:09 GMT

Chris, i remember discussing the change of ages for relays in SCY, but I don't remember ever actually trying it. Does anyone know if we ever actually did SCY with sum of the ages? Betsy - to answer your question, Skip Thompson posted this on another thread: There was a time for only one year, that SCY relays used the cumulative ages and that was 1986. This proposal was used as a result of the FINA decision to use this approach starting with the 1986 year. I remember the 1986 Short Course Nationals at Indian River CC in Fort Pierce, used this approach and because swimmers were not used to it, there were 166 scratches from pre-entered relays. At the 1986 USAS Convention it was voted back to use the youngest swimmer to determine age groups and we have been using this method since that time.

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Betsy — Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:49:10 GMT

Chris, i remember discussing the change of ages for relays in SCY, but I don't remember ever actually trying it. Does anyone know if we ever actually did SCY with sum of the ages?

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orca1946 — Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:31:45 GMT

Good on the age thing. My BD is april 7 always just before the Illinois state meet& this year I age up to 65! :cane::cane:

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Chris Stevenson — Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:14:46 GMT

I also heard of a rumor? that the age for meets will be changed to the date of Dec 31 to be used for all meets in that season. Has anyone else heard anything about this? Failed. Check out the recent convention thread for the results of this and a few other motions. U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums - View Single Post - 2010 USMS Convention DALLAS TX

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Chris Stevenson — Mon, 20 Sep 2010 01:20:31 GMT

Of COURSE Skip would know. In the hospitality room I listened to him recite from memory the Convention host cities in chronological order. If I ever forget a time, I know where to go... In the Records & Tabulation meeting, Walt said that there were even some records from that experiment years ago but he was doubtful we could dig them up, and suggested we'd be better off starting from scratch if the rule had passed.

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orca1946 — Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:53:23 GMT

I also heard of a rumor? that the age for meets will be changed to the date of Dec 31 to be used for all meets in that season. Has anyone else heard anything about this?

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orca1946 — Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:50:25 GMT

Good point, I had not thought of the records!

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Chris Stevenson — Sun, 19 Sep 2010 04:16:00 GMT

That's strange; you would think we would want to align the things. I supposed the proposal to change the age for yards also was defeated. Is it for historical reasons? I've been in the program since 1972, and wouldn't mind the age or relay change. Apparently the relay thing had been tried before in SCY and, according to some, failed miserably (I don't know in what ways) so we went back. The relay records would have to be rebooted, and most didn't like that idea. Apparently the USMS relay age group scheme pre-dates the FINA one, so there is a lot of history there. As far as the age-up date, nobody bought the argument that it would be "less confusing." (If you have trouble remembering your birthday, I guess you have larger issues to deal with than your age group...). Also the argument was made that the FINA system is unfair to some while the US system is unfair to others, so hopefully it balances out for most people, on average.

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TRYM_Swimmer — Sun, 19 Sep 2010 03:33:21 GMT

The proposal failed. That's strange; you would think we would want to align the things. I supposed the proposal to change the age for yards also was defeated. Is it for historical reasons? I've been in the program since 1972, and wouldn't mind the age or relay change.

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Chris Stevenson — Sun, 19 Sep 2010 01:39:53 GMT

Currently the case for 25 or 50 meters. Being proposed for yards. The proposal failed.

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TRYM_Swimmer — Sun, 19 Sep 2010 01:36:02 GMT

Currently the case for 25 or 50 meters. Being proposed for yards.