Arm (and hand) numbness during long swims

RE: Arm (and hand) numbness during long swims

Former Member — Tue, 07 Sep 2010 12:02:53 GMT

I have changed my computer desk and my computer keyboard is too high. I no longer have the slide out and I am reaching up to the table to type. My right arm and right shoulder are now causing me grief. It has just transferred to the left shoulder. I have been on the computer for about two weeks pretty steady, working on my web site. Could you (all who have problems) have improper hand positions when on the computer that are causing you to have troubles. Improper hand positions when on the computer is FAMOUS for causing carpal tunnel! And aggravating it! Gripping the steering wheel while driving is a notorious aggravator. I notice mine bothering me when pushing a baby stroller or riding bikes--some are worse than others because of the body position. My own carpal tunnel was caused in a fairly UN-famous way: by using a manual *** pump when my second-born was a newborn. (Boy was my freezer full, though!)

RE: Arm (and hand) numbness during long swims

Former Member — Tue, 07 Sep 2010 07:37:50 GMT

RE: Arm (and hand) numbness during long swims

Former Member — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 14:23:19 GMT

I know exactly what you are talking about. I have Carpal Tunnel Syndrome myself. It is worse in my right hand, though I have it on both sides. I sometimes get the same numbness--outer two fingers, spreads slowly up the arm--during long freestyle workouts. What helps me the most is subtly adjusting and varying my hand/forearm position. Especially if I do it right away, when the numbness is just starting. It's hard to explain. But I concentrate on using my thumb more in the "catch" for a while, then my middle finger for awhile, then my pinky. Also, I adjust and vary my entry point a bit. Keeping my elbows extra high during recovery helps, too. Changing my hand and arm positions aren't ideal for optimal speed but it seems to take the pressure off and give the nerve a break it needs. I don't know exactly why, but I started having carpal tunnel problems less often when I added strength training to my regimen. I work my whole body but biceps curls,triceps presses, and a few other arm exercises are what have helped with both my Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and the shoulder overuse problems I used to have. Good luck!

RE: Arm (and hand) numbness during long swims

Former Member — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:56:49 GMT

I am a left side breather. I have alternated breathing on the other side for a while during long swims. Not bilateral breathing just changing sides for relief.

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orca1946 — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 12:54:29 GMT

I would get that checked out soon. It might be nothing, but maybe not. I also breathe on the other side in long sets.

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Elaine Krugman — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:29:19 GMT

I am a left side breather. I have alternated breathing on the other side for a while during long swims. Not bilateral breathing just changing sides for relief. Hey, Geo, we (finally!) found some common ground! :applaud: I do exactly the same thing.

RE: Arm (and hand) numbness during long swims

Robyn Dean — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:42:58 GMT

It sounds like you may have a nerve irritated from the neck. You should not take it lightly- numbness now may become pain, muscle weakness later.Are you breathing to that side? What you can play with is how you are turning your head - so make sure your are rotating your hips, shoulders- not just your head to avoid pinching the nerve. I'm hoping "Gull" or some other MD out there can give me some advice. This being Labor Day weekend, I can't really run right over to my ortho or neuro doc. Background: I know I have minor carpal tunnel syndrome in my wrists (who doesn't now-a-days?). I'm training for an ultra long swim, and picking up the yardage. I noticed a week a go that after about 3-4000 yds/mtrs, the last two fingers of my right hand go numb, and it begins to spread up my arm, up to nearly the shoulder. I can flip over and do backstroke & shake it out, no problem, rest for a bit on the wall, and it temporarily stops, but then when I get going again, it comes right back. There is NO pain involved, and no nasty sequelae (yet), no swelling, redness, change in temperature to the limb; and once I stop swimming, it completely resolves until the next time I'm swimming a long workout. So - how to prevent it? I certainly can't just stop swimming - the "race" is 10 miles long, so I'm bound to experience this during the event, as well. I kinda wonder if it may be partially related to the water temperature, because lately we've been swimming in 76-78 degree water. Ideas?

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Former Member — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:26:18 GMT

My hands have gotten numb during long timed swims (like the old T-30s). The problem for me was that I was not relaxing my arms/hands on the recovery and my muscles got sufficiently pumped up to start constricting and compressing things. Solution for me was to relax muscles that weren't currently in productive use -- even if it's only for a fraction of a second.

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Celestial — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:19:48 GMT

Thank you all for your input!! :) As luck would have it, today I went to the pool and ran into one of the swim team parents - who is our favorite neurosurgeon. We chatted a bit & he agreed that it was most likely not a dangerous injury, and certainly not in my cervical spine, but that I probably was rotating or moving in some way that stretches that nerve a little bit (someone mentioned that, didn't they?) The dermotone map was very helpful, and as an NP, I actually had looked at that, and realized that everything was connected. I'm relieved that I will live, and don't have to quit my training, or even have an MRI - the lack of pain & quick return of sensation (I never really lose sensation, it just gets kinda numb) was Dr.Rumana's "proof" that it is minor. For me, anyways. Thanks again to you all! I'm off in the morning to do my trial swim in the Ichetucknee River - 3.5 miles in 70 degree water!! :banana::banana::banana:

RE: Arm (and hand) numbness during long swims

Former Member — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:17:14 GMT

If you hold your fingers together too tight or press the thumb too tightly against the index finger causes tension in the forearm. This can make every thing go numb.

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Rykno — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 06:16:20 GMT

I get the same finger numbing sensation and then eventually my entire hand. also on long swims or tough 5000m practices. I always associated it too breathing every right arm stroke. but after visiting a chiropractor last spring he did some adjustment to my C5-C8 area and for about 3-5 weeks this past summer I didn't have that problem. but towards the end of the summer the numbing came back. looking at the nerve map it now makes sense. but I wonder why it's only on one side?

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philoswimmer — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 05:18:42 GMT

My hands "fall asleep" when I am sleeping unless I make sure that they are below my heart when I fall asleep. I don't know if that will help you, but it's worth a shot.

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aztimm — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 04:42:58 GMT

The same thing happens to me when I do long straight swims, around the 1500 yard/meter mark. For me it starts with my right hand (I breathe to my right). I'll do some fists/spread my hand out, and it goes away. Occasionally I'll get it in my left hand, and making a fist helps that too. I get a similar numbness when I cycle, if I'm on the drop bars for several miles at a time. Making a fist and shaking my arm helps. Or just pulling my water bottle and drinking. Never had this numbness when running.

RE: Arm (and hand) numbness during long swims

Former Member — Sat, 04 Sep 2010 11:33:39 GMT

Check out this dermatome map: www.backpain-guide.com/.../4Radiculopathy.html From their text: "Each of the spinal nerves provides sensation to a predictable area of skin." Look at the map and you'll see that the area you're describing corresponds to the C8 nerve root in the spine. Perhaps something is putting pressure on the nerve root.

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__steve__ — Sat, 04 Sep 2010 09:32:40 GMT

Interesting map JawHawk, thanks. I started running several months back. I noticed when I run a hard effort, like a 400, some of my right fingers start to numb (C7 & C6 to map resp). But when I swim my whole right hand starts tingling. I think it might be related to pressure on a nerve in my shoulder since it inflammed lately. Also when I sleep, both of my hands go numb within 30 minutes no mater how I lay.