'Elite' Masters diet regimines

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swimcat — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:10:43 GMT

What I always notice is that nations like the US, UK or Germany have all these great theories on the perfect diet: no milk, vegan, low carb/high fat, low fat/high carb, eat 6-8 small meals a day, Paleo or whatever. Funny thing is that these nations have the highest obesity rate in the world. More than 70% of Americans are overweight and probably it's the same in the UK and Germany. Then you look at other societies and none of them are on the South Beach diet but they don't have an obesity problem. Look at Sardinia. They eat dairy but they live to be 100. They eat grains(the low carb enemy) but they stay lean. zentofitness.com/.../ Instead of looking at the suggestions of some diet gurus and follow fad diets I find it better to look at the living proof of people who must be doing something right. the Sardes as well as sicilians and greeks follow the mediterrain diet. that really isn;t a diet but lots of fish, grains and most important whatever is in season. Americans not all but most drive everywhere that is why the fat factor. One can eat fast food but not be obese. I eat Chick fil a . and subway and i am far from tubby. however most of the time, I eat a pasta (yes, and not whole grain) with garlic, oil and hot peppers. i eat pasta fagoli, i eat kaiserschmarrn (only when skiing)

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swimshark — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 04:13:10 GMT

I finally found the nutrition info given to me by the trainer. All 3 pages are attached.

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no200fly — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:16:52 GMT

Since you asked for books on the topic that might be of interest, my first recommendation. Amazon.com: Racing Weight: How to Get Lean for Peak Performance (9781934030516): Matt Fitzgerald: Books When you eat is also (more?) important. Eating protein and carbs after workout improves recovery. Advertising claims there is an ideal ratio, research just shows that protein plus carbs after workout improves recovery over carbs alone and nothing. If you are going to train frequently, you should be concerned with decreasing recovery time. I got a copy of this book Monday - great book. Thanks Qbrain

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bzaks1424 — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:18:16 GMT

www.msnbc.msn.com/.../ I actually read the connected article: 7 Habits of Highly Obese People 1) I don't chew enough 2) I clean my plate 3) I'm a serious speed eater. Chop sticks or a fork. :-/ I do have one thing going for me though! 1) I hate buffets, they're gross and I avoid them like the plague. :eeew: So the only things safe to eat are Kardashian sisters? silicone is unsafe to eat, you know :bolt: :rofl:

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Patrick W. Brundage — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:02:48 GMT

I agree, Lui. Americans overthink this. Exercise regularly and eat a variety of foods with an emphasis on fresh, natural ingredients and you'll be fine.Here! Here!

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That Guy — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:40:20 GMT

So the only things safe to eat are Kardashian sisters? :) silicone is unsafe to eat, you know :bolt:

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knelson — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:34:21 GMT

Instead of looking at the suggestions of some diet gurus and follow fad diets I find it better to look at the living proof of people who must be doing something right. I agree, Lui. Americans overthink this. Exercise regularly and eat a variety of foods with an emphasis on fresh, natural ingredients and you'll be fine.

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Jimbosback — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:25:11 GMT

www.msnbc.msn.com/.../ So the only things safe to eat are Kardashian sisters? :) Good article, but a lot more research needs to be done. And if this stuff is that important (I think it probably is), we need to do something about making organic meat affordable and turning the ship around WRT our food industry. Muckrakers with microscopes?

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bzaks1424 — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:06:16 GMT

What I always notice is that nations like the US, UK or Germany have all these great theories on the perfect diet: no milk, vegan, low carb/high fat, low fat/high carb, eat 6-8 small meals a day, Paleo or whatever. Funny thing is that these nations have the highest obesity rate in the world. More than 70% of Americans are overweight and probably it's the same in the UK and Germany. Then you look at other societies and none of them are on the South Beach diet but they don't have an obesity problem. Look at Sardinia. They eat dairy but they live to be 100. They eat grains(the low carb enemy) but they stay lean. zentofitness.com/.../ Instead of looking at the suggestions of some diet gurus and follow fad diets I find it better to look at the living proof of people who must be doing something right. Just to try and broaden your view on this: 1) Americans on the whole exercise EXTREMELY less than other cultures. I'm not talking about your daily 1 hour at the gym either, I'm talking about the physical aspect of each day to day experience. Example: I sit at a computer for 8.5 hours every single day minimum. 2) The "really bad" diet items are far more accessible to Americans than I think we realized. I can literally walk out of my house and 2 blocks to go to McDonald's. I can walk across the street to Starbucks and get my triple mocha frappachino ma bobber, I can walk to the corner of the street to a greasy spoon called Scooters (oh God, its so good) So really the way I see it, those people are doing it right, but they're doing it because its what they're dealt with. Things like High Fructose Corn Syrup, Trans fats, preservatives, and (on the other side) crappy desk jobs are not the common place way life is for them.

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That Guy — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:33:26 GMT

www.msnbc.msn.com/.../

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Former Member — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:06:31 GMT

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:20:14 GMT

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:19:33 GMT

I will however do this: I move in to my new place on my own in the next week or two. Starting that day - I'll keep my diet essentially dairy free for exactly one month. I'll miss the cottage cheese, cheese curds, cheese cake, shredded cheese, cheese slices, cheesy pickup lines, etc... but I will try it and keep track of how I'm feeling in my daily blog. I will also try to track my other food intake and sleep levels. I'll put for good measure a ranking from 0-10 (0 being puking sick or hungover) in my USMS Blog. This way everyone can see the progress. I figured - my body is a great place to experiment with this kind of thing. So lets do it. Respect! Looking forward to read about how things are going. Depending on the quality of the rest of your diet you may feel a bit hung over the first day or two, but that'll pass :)

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:05:34 GMT

A bit "religious" and quite off topic ... but anyway: www.huffingtonpost.com/.../female-infants-growing-br_b_676402.html

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:55:36 GMT

OR - if you really ARE curious, you could try a few weeks without dairy. Most people I know who tried it are experiencing better digestion, fewer "aches" (head aches, joint aches etc), less mucus (no more running nose) but most of all: more energy. And I surely agree, that milk is not the only bad thing in a typical western. Sugar, processed food and alcohol are on the black list too. Eat whole foods to get (or stay) healthy and fit. A dedicated vegan talk: YouTube- Chocolate, Cheese, Meat, and Sugar -- Physically Addictive According to the speaker cheese is one of the most difficult dairy products to skip - due to morphine like substances in dairy, particularly in cheese.

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:29:14 GMT

I know, that this thread isn't about milk (sorry) and I cannot find a direct link, but a Danish source states that The Lancet (October 14 2006) brought an article about osteoporosis and dairy intake concluding that populations with the highest intake of dairy products had the highest presence (probably not the right word, sorry again ...) of osteoporosis.

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:14:03 GMT

I'm not too impressed with my link either ... it was just a quick google search to find a web site in English. I'm not a scientist and really not into convincing anybody, I just don't get why grown men and women drink milk. If you were to drink it directly from the source, you wouldn't, would you? Yuk! Milk (and meat) is full of hormones, it just cannot be good for anyone but babies, who cannot eat real food yet. Some people call milk "liquid meat" ... but that's another story ;) If you're interested, just google MILK or DAIRY and CANCER, CONSTIPATION, OSTEOPOROSIS or what ever you like, and see what you get. Or look here: http://www.milksucks.com Denmark is one of the most dairy-consuming countries. And inhabitated by a populations with one of the worlds highest presences of osteoporosis. Most Asians (still living in Asia) don't eat dairy products, and they have much less osteoporosis than Danes do. Haven't you ever wondered why the Japanese get so old? And are so vital even at very old age? You didn't need to spend much time at the championshipsin Gothenburg to notice, how vital the old Japanese participants were. Simply amazing. The older generations in Japan eat vegetables, no dairy and very little meat and fish - the young Japanese eat more like we do, and they get the same diseases as we do. I don't think the young Japanese will get as old or as vital when aging as their ancestors. But that's pure speculation ... As a high intake of dairy quite often correlates with high meat intake, it's apparently quite difficult to tell the difference between health issues related to dairy intake and issues related to eating meat. I believe dairy and meat are two sides of the same story. And that the safest and most healthy diet is - IMHO - veggies and fruit.

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bzaks1424 — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:23:45 GMT

my nutritionist told me 60% carbs, 40% protein; refuel after practice with carbs, which replace glycogen lost in muscles. have protein later, rather than sooner, after workouts. also eat (for me, weight 117 or so, 5' 4") around 300 calories a day of healthy fats (olive oil, etc.), which help fight depression as well as provide good energy. i think we eat too much protein in our society; it produces a waste product that leeches calcium out of bones, according to andrew weil and some others i've seen quoted in laundromat magazines. Um... I think given your weight and my guess your body comp is in pretty good condition that 60/40 like that is fantastic. You're probably pretty active. However - right after a work out - you do need a little protein. Carbs will only give the muscles fuel to act, but without a little protein (I believe the ratio is 3:1) they can't begin to rebuild themselves efficiently. 8oz of chocolate milk after a workout == amazing results just from personal experience.

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bzaks1424 — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:23:39 GMT

There is a reason most people feel better if they stop eating cheese. "Approximately 75% of the world's population loses the ability to completely digest a physiological dose of lactose after infancy" www.accessmylibrary.com/.../summary_0286-27939567_ITM Could we please try to stick to nutritional suggestions that are based on something other than politics? Thank you for the article Q, I'll be checking that out after lunch. (and yes - its dairy free). What about guys like Phelps - do you think he chugs a couple glasses of Milk per day?

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bzaks1424 — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:08:40 GMT

OR - if you really ARE curious, you could try a few weeks without dairy. Most people I know who tried it are experiencing better digestion, fewer "aches" (head aches, joint aches etc), less mucus (no more running nose) but most of all: more energy. I can honestly say that with the exception of cheese (Quick Tangent: Someone needs to create an "Oliver" style musical about cheese. I can see it now: "Please sir, can I have some more mozzarella?" "MORE?!" "Yes Sir... More" "MOOOOOOREE?!?!?!" :rofl:) I've gone without milk for a couple weeks at a time as my roommates are both lactose intolerant. I'm usually kind of lazy and don't go across the street to get milk unless we're all out of rice dream. I will however do this: I move in to my new place on my own in the next week or two. Starting that day - I'll keep my diet essentially dairy free for exactly one month. I'll miss the cottage cheese, cheese curds, cheese cake, shredded cheese, cheese slices, cheesy pickup lines, etc... but I will try it and keep track of how I'm feeling in my daily blog. I will also try to track my other food intake and sleep levels. I'll put for good measure a ranking from 0-10 (0 being puking sick or hungover) in my USMS Blog. This way everyone can see the progress. I figured - my body is a great place to experiment with this kind of thing. So lets do it.

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bzaks1424 — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:41:03 GMT

I guess the only problem that I have with your links is that all of these studies are correlation studies. People have been drinking/eating milk products and meet for literally thousands of years - just the same as we have been eating (glorious) meat. These very same people are probably drinking soft drinks, eating trans fats, and possibly living a sedentary lifestyle (lack of impact on the body through activity could be said to correlate to lower bone density due to less compaction on the bones - that of course is just hearsay.) Find me a study that shows the direct effect of proteins or specific ingredients (hormones don't count, because you can get organic or certified hormone free milk) in calcium-laden dairy products on the production of bone mass in the body and I will gladly take my giant wedge of sharp swiss cheese, my glass of milk and my Ben and Jerry's Vermonster (1 word: Glorious) and toss them all out the window (metaphorically speaking of course) and gladly replace my dairy intake with rice, almond and soy based products.

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Beards247 — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:57:00 GMT

While I do not wish to discount your article, a quick read through left me unimpressed and without actual case studies showing further review backing the author's statements. That being said - I'm not going to simply discount the idea that that could be true based on that alone. I will say - I do love me some dairy. MMMMMmmmmmmm I had almost a whole wedge of cheese yesterday. It was amazing. I had the same thought. I did some research, found Russell Eaton's blog and 2 books... but there are no critical reviews?!? I can't find any counterpoint - and I'd assume the Dairy Lobby would be all over this like flies on cow pad's if they felt threatened... So, where is the counter point (every major issue has one). Now I guess I am risking hijacking my own thread : ).

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bzaks1424 — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:49:55 GMT

I personnally don't get dairy. WHY do adults drink *** milk from another species? It's gross, it's disgusting - and it is not healthy. Cow milk is for calves, human milk for human babies. No adult needs milk. It's NOT good for you, cow milk makes your bones erode! Milk preventing osteoporosis is one of the biggest lies ever - something that milk producers will do anything to hide from the consumers: www.news-medical.net/.../13120.aspx While I do not wish to discount your article, a quick read through left me unimpressed and without actual case studies showing further review backing the author's statements. That being said - I'm not going to simply discount the idea that that could be true based on that alone. I will say - I do love me some dairy. MMMMMmmmmmmm I had almost a whole wedge of cheese yesterday. It was amazing.

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:16:55 GMT

Here's someone who agrees with you. He comes across as a bit of a jerk if you ask me, but you can't really argue with his results! Interesting. But eating chickens and meat is still so much more appealing than grass and fruit.

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 07:59:12 GMT

Fruit and raw vegetables will make your body feel soooo great. You´ll recover like a baby if you stick to fruit only after training. Loads of fruit - 4-500 grams. More if you got space :) I personnally don't get dairy. WHY do adults drink *** milk from another species? It's gross, it's disgusting - and it is not healthy. Cow milk is for calves, human milk for human babies. No adult needs milk. It's NOT good for you, cow milk makes your bones erode! Milk preventing osteoporosis is one of the biggest lies ever - something that milk producers will do anything to hide from the consumers: www.news-medical.net/.../13120.aspx