200 fly vs 400 IM

RE: 200 fly vs 400 IM

Beards247 — Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:13:35 GMT

8 laps of fly... or 4 laps of fly with 12 laps of recovery. I smell a T-shirt slogan! lengths vs. laps could be debated, but after the fly no one is thinking clearly anyway...

RE: 200 fly vs 400 IM

art_z — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:49:31 GMT

200 fly much harder than the 400 IM, and I'm a flyer. I've done 5 x 400 IMs in practice (switching them up forward and reverse every other) and it was not too bad, I think we got around 50 seconds rest after each one in the sets we used to do. Could not imagine doing more than one 200 fly in a practice.

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Elaine Krugman — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:54:19 GMT

Elaine, as satanic as I am sure Clyde is, I must point out that "Little Devil" is a registered USMS trademark for Jeffrey Roddin and can only be used in conjunction with his name here on these forums, as in: Jeff "Little Devil" Roddin. Thanks for your strict adherence to this in the future. :lmao:

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jim thornton — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:54:57 GMT

Clyde, you little devil you! :bitching: I'll keep my fingers crossed that everything is ok. :toohurt:Good luck! :cheerleader: Elaine, as satanic as I am sure Clyde is, I must point out that "Little Devil" is a registered USMS trademark for Jeffrey Roddin and can only be used in conjunction with his name here on these forums, as in: Jeff "Little Devil" Roddin. Thanks for your strict adherence to this in the future.

RE: 200 fly vs 400 IM

jim thornton — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:51:39 GMT

The surgery went well but Clyde the cyst gave us a surprise. He wasn't a cyst. He was a mass of tissue on the tendon sheath. I'm assuming benign but I'll know more when I go back for post-op in 2 weeks. As for recovery, I'm up and walking but it's slow and slightly painful. Much better than the surgery in Nov. And so far no pain pills needed :banana: I expect to be back in the water a bit in 2 weeks. That wasn't a mass of tissue! That was a Manitou! And evil identical twin Indian spirit starring Tony Curtis! YouTube- The Manitou (trailer)

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swimshark — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 03:05:14 GMT

That wasn't a mass of tissue! That was a Manitou! And evil identical twin Indian spirit starring Tony Curtis! YouTube- The Manitou (trailer) Oh, if I had only known its powers before it went to live in a sad state of the lab. I wonder who it will be reborn in next???

RE: 200 fly vs 400 IM

swimshark — Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:01:11 GMT

That's right! How did the surgery go for you? Good luck with your recovery; I hope it's speedy! :cheerleader: The surgery went well but Clyde the cyst gave us a surprise. He wasn't a cyst. He was a mass of tissue on the tendon sheath. I'm assuming benign but I'll know more when I go back for post-op in 2 weeks. As for recovery, I'm up and walking but it's slow and slightly painful. Much better than the surgery in Nov. And so far no pain pills needed :banana: I expect to be back in the water a bit in 2 weeks.

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Elaine Krugman — Sun, 15 Aug 2010 10:01:57 GMT

I might have to wait a bit longer. I had ankle surgery 2 days ago. Maybe January... That's right! How did the surgery go for you? Good luck with your recovery; I hope it's speedy! :cheerleader:

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swimshark — Sun, 15 Aug 2010 08:40:45 GMT

Clyde, you little devil you! :bitching: I'll keep my fingers crossed that everything is ok. :toohurt:Good luck! :cheerleader: Thank you. And I love the smiley on crutches. Luckily crutches are not needed :)

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swimshark — Sun, 15 Aug 2010 07:21:22 GMT

Me too! I think I'll pick a day (in the far future) and just do it. I'm thinking some time in November. Anyone else in for the challenge? I might have to wait a bit longer. I had ankle surgery 2 days ago. Maybe January...

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Elaine Krugman — Sun, 15 Aug 2010 06:06:03 GMT

The surgery went well but Clyde the cyst gave us a surprise. He wasn't a cyst. He was a mass of tissue on the tendon sheath. I'm assuming benign but I'll know more when I go back for post-op in 2 weeks. As for recovery, I'm up and walking but it's slow and slightly painful. Much better than the surgery in Nov. And so far no pain pills needed :banana: I expect to be back in the water a bit in 2 weeks. Clyde, you little devil you! :bitching: I'll keep my fingers crossed that everything is ok. :toohurt:Good luck! :cheerleader:

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Former Member — Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:22:37 GMT

Me too! I think I'll pick a day (in the far future) and just do it. I'm thinking some time in November. Anyone else in for the challenge? Make that November 2014, and I might finish a 500

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gigi — Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:20:12 GMT

I want to try that one day... Me too! I think I'll pick a day (in the far future) and just do it. I'm thinking some time in November. Anyone else in for the challenge?

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swimshark — Sat, 14 Aug 2010 06:52:51 GMT

Join the Butternuts! www.grinswim.org/.../butternuts I want to try that one day...

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Donna — Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:26:41 GMT

I'll do it again after my sun burn cools down. That might be a few days or so.

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Former Member — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:45:26 GMT

hey our shipment of noodles finally came in!! :worms::worms::worms::worms::worms::worms: PARTY TIME!!! But they're kinda brown....surely we deserve bright neon ones too? Or have the noodlers kept them all for themselves?

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Elaine Krugman — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:40:18 GMT

hey our shipment of noodles finally came in!! :worms::worms::worms::worms::worms::worms: PARTY TIME!!! Hah! Since Noodlers are worms (they manage to worm their way into taking over the swim lanes- and the entire pool...), this could be the perfect Smilie for Noodlers. Bringing up that subject is like opening up a can of worms, in more ways than one.! :bitching:

RE: 200 fly vs 400 IM

That Guy — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:34:02 GMT

In the past I have swum both regularly until my knees forced me to give up *** for a while. I will add it back in another year or two since the knee is recovering nicely. I think both are equally hard especially if you split the 400 IM correctly. I actually prefer the 200 Fly LCM over 400 IM LCM and/or SCY. At Indy I learned that I can kill myself on the first lap of the 200 fly and then ask myself WHY for the next 3 laps or I can start out with an easy pace that I can maintain and only the last lap is tough. I now swim the paced 200 fly and I can actually do a 500 fly LCM with no problem. When you do enough 500 fly's in practice the 200 fly is easier. YES you can call me CRAZY and loving it! Join the Butternuts! www.grinswim.org/.../butternuts

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Donna — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:53:46 GMT

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Elaine Krugman — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 04:48:06 GMT

400 IM on the other hand makes me want to skip the backstroke.While not in danger of a DQ my backstroke does make spectators think I need CPR. :lmao: Allen, we're two peas in a pod- uh- make that two frogs on a lily pad on that one. :afraid:

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Allen Stark — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:59:36 GMT

This is an interesting choice of poisons.200 LCM fly is the only event where I have been afraid I couldn't finish legally.400 IM on the other hand makes me want to skip the backstroke.While not in danger of a DQ my backstroke does make spectators think I need CPR.At our Association Meet a couple of years ago I entered the 400 IM thinking no one else in my age group would enter and it would be an easy way to score points for the team.3 fast guys had just aged up and all entered the 400 IM.I went out too fast and was dying on the back.On the back to BR turn I usually take 4 strokes from flags to wall.Knowing I was tightening up I took 5,no wall,looked over my shoulder to see the wall in the distance and took 3 more strokes to reach it.Fortunately then I could swim BR which,even exhausted I love.200 BR,done right should be exhausting and is a very hard event IMHO,but you do know if you keep going you will finish.200 LCM fly,maybe not.200 SCY fly is easier as you only have to make it 25 yd at a time before you have a wall to hold on to.

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Former Member — Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:38:56 GMT

2 fly is my best event and 4 im is my second best. but i am only a good 4 im'er because the 100 fly at the beginning doesn't make me tired at all and i'm decent at the other strokes. i'd say the 400 im is tougher because it takes me a lot longer to recover afterwards. also, because of the distance, i think it requires more training to be able to do effectively. Now see that was kind of my thoughts. In my pre-baby days, my event order went something like :100fly, 400 free, 200 fly, 200 free, 800 free. And somewhere in there would be 200IM, but I never had much opportunity to swim it. I would aviod back like the plague and do the occasional 100 *** for "fun". I always figured I'd have the endurance to finish the 400IM, especially as I was a fly swimmer, but the 100 back scared the heck out of me (still does).

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That Guy — Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:29:37 GMT

(Honestly, half of the reason for this post is that I wanted to use the new smiley.) hey our shipment of noodles finally came in!! :worms::worms::worms::worms::worms::worms: PARTY TIME!!!

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Chris Stevenson — Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:11:19 GMT

As others have already noted, there is never a time when DNF is a legitimate possibility in the 200 ***. Well, that's just not true. I am so slow and any 200 BR I do would take so long, that I might quit the race out of sheer boredom. I feel pretty much the same way about race-walking: sure, it's tiring. Awfully slow too, and funny-looking. :worms: (Honestly, half of the reason for this post is that I wanted to use the new smiley.)

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That Guy — Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:56:27 GMT

Anybody who thinks 200 *** is in anyway an easy race or is not painful is not really swimming it hard enough. At the end of a 200 fly, my arms feel like falling off. But after a 200 ***, my lungs feel like they're going to explode. HI EVERYBODY AND THANKS FOR COMING TO THAT GUY'S BREASTSTROKE CLINIC! I'M YOUR HOST, OTHER DUDE. WELL LET'S GET STARTED! THAT GUY IS GOING TO SHOW US SOME BREASTSTROKE. HERE HE IS! TAKE YOUR MARK, GO! ... OK, YOU SEE THAT EVERYBODY? YOU SEE WHAT HE'S DOING THERE? NOW DIVE IN AND DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE! Yes, I will certainly admit to not knowing how to swim the 200 *** properly. But I've swum it twice this year (once SCY, once LCM) and it's just not even close to the 200 fly in any course. As others have already noted, there is never a time when DNF is a legitimate possibility in the 200 ***.