Time observations about World's

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Midas — Thu, 05 Aug 2010 06:12:23 GMT

If you were to go to a nationals or a regional meet for that matter you would see that it has always been a "level playing field". Everyone that was competitive wore a tech suit. It was fun to swim fast. I, for one, will miss the suit. I swim in the meets. Midas, you said you won't miss the suit.....Did you swim any meets this summer? Did you go to regionals? Worlds? Are you going to nationals? Just wondering, because if you did, you might find yourself missing the suit, too. Like I said, it's fun to swim fast. I swam in my regional championships meets (Pacific Masters) last year (2009) for both SCY and SCM wearing my FS Pro Jammers. I'd like to think I'm competitive, but I'm not competitive with guys like Roque Santos... Any way, I was very happy with my SCY times, which were, on average, less than 1 second slower per 100 than my times achieved while wearing my B70. My SCM times were disappointing mostly because I wasn't training as hard as I wanted to be (and also wasn't shaved). Work has been keeping me extremely busy this year so I haven't made it to any national or regional championship meets (though I wish I could have gone to Puerto Rico!). I went to a couple of SCY meets early this year and didn't wear my B70 either. I was also happy with my times from those meets, given how little training I had been doing. Of course, my view is that I swim equally fast whether I wear the suits or not! :)

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:43:11 GMT

The older you get, the faster you were.

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Chris Stevenson — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:14:29 GMT

I am convinced that the absence of the long suits is having a profound effect on masters swimming times this year. Of course, like Jeff, I focus on my events in my age group. Here is a glaring example. Last year Josep Claret broke the world record in the 65+ 50 fly with a 28.54. This year he wins at Worlds with a 31.5. An anomoly? Last year the 10th place time in the world was 31.11. In the 100 fly Josep's record from last year was a 1:08.05. His winning time this year: 1:13.77. Two thoughts: The older you are, the greater the impact of not having the suit. Second, not all swimmers are affected the same by the change. Comparing the world's top ten from 2009 to 2010 over all age groups will eventually give us a much better picture. I did not experience as profound an effect; 1 sec/100 is roughly right for me. But I have this (mostly unsupported) feeling that sprints and freestyles were the most affected. forums.usms.org/blog.php Aub as you said, everyone is different, so this is just one more data point. Jim, I thought that the tech suits were only allowed for this summer in OW. I hope not. Enough is enough with these crap. I think FINA said that it is allowing full-body suits for OW swims but they have to be textile/porous.

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Jim Clemmons — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 11:53:49 GMT

At this point, I am bracing myself for a downshift in times, but I am hoping that the loss of the technical suit will not put me at any more of a disadvantage than others in my age group. The trick, I think, will be surviving my first brush with the new mediocrity! It can be downright shocking, buddy. Prepare thyself for the new world, but you're right on, I believe, with the fact we're all in the same boat. Or suit...or whatever... In a separate thread, Rob Copeland asked what will be necessary to grow USMS membership to 100,000 and beyond. It will be interesting to see if the suit change hurts this effort. Personally, I can't see the suits, whether being allowed or not, as having much of an effect on overall numbers. They may affect numbers at competitions, more so, than the general membership totals. I'm still pondering Rob's request.

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tjrpatt — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 11:30:01 GMT

I am one who feels he has benefited, time-wise, in a major way from the technical suits, though the difference between textile versions and the floatier B70 types was not nearly as huge as the difference between old-school briefs/jammers and textile body suits. In fact, the two-second drop per 100 I experienced after first weaing an Aquablade kneeskin when these first came out probably had a major impact on my desire to compete, not so much against other people but against times I had swum myself in high school and college. Rich, as the Godfather to us all, what effect has the suit change had on your motivation to train hard and compete? After last spring's legendary performance, would you be satisfied with a No. 1 time in your age group, even if you swam it a second slower than at Geogia Tech? Or does the prospect of (horrors!) slipping into the 23s (god forbid!) in the 50 SCY seem to you so depressing that you'd just as soon hang up the sluggish jammers for good and swim now just for fun? In a separate thread, Rob Copeland asked what will be necessary to grow USMS membership to 100,000 and beyond. It will be interesting to see if the suit change hurts this effort. One prediction: I suspect OW swimming may increase in popularity since the B70 style suits are still legal here. It remains to be seen what happens with pool meets. Does anyone know how Puerto Rico meet numbers stack up against other somewhat hard-to-get-to Nationals venues from the past? Jim, I thought that the tech suits were only allowed for this summer in OW. I hope not. Enough is enough with these crap. The numbers from Puerto Rico weren't bad since Rutgers in 2003 had a similar numbers. Rutgers was an easier than easy location to get to.

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That Guy — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 10:57:53 GMT

I recorded four best times this summer. What is all this complaining about? :dunno:

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jim thornton — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 10:03:49 GMT

Another explanation for a drop off in the performance is a decline in motivation to train hard, but importantly to race. This is what I see around. I am convinced that the absence of the long suits is having a profound effect on masters swimming times this year. Two thoughts: The older you are, the greater the impact of not having the suit. Second, not all swimmers are affected the same by the change. Comparing the world's top ten from 2009 to 2010 over all age groups will eventually give us a much better picture. I am one who feels he has benefited, time-wise, in a major way from the technical suits, though the difference between textile versions and the floatier B70 types was not nearly as huge as the difference between old-school briefs/jammers and textile body suits. In fact, the two-second drop per 100 I experienced after first weaing an Aquablade kneeskin when these first came out probably had a major impact on my desire to compete, not so much against other people but against times I had swum myself in high school and college. At this point, I am bracing myself for a downshift in times, but I am hoping that the loss of the technical suit will not put me at any more of a disadvantage than others in my age group. In fact, part of me hopes (without any real reason for it other than hope springing eternal) that the loss of body suits will effect my fellow age group competitors more than me, and that what I will lose in absolute times I will gain in relative position in the hierarchy of old boys. The trick, I think, will be surviving my first brush with the new mediocrity! Rich, as the Godfather to us all, what effect has the suit change had on your motivation to train hard and compete? After last spring's legendary performance, would you be satisfied with a No. 1 time in your age group, even if you swam it a second slower than at Geogia Tech? Or does the prospect of (horrors!) slipping into the 23s (god forbid!) in the 50 SCY seem to you so depressing that you'd just as soon hang up the sluggish jammers for good and swim now just for fun? In a separate thread, Rob Copeland asked what will be necessary to grow USMS membership to 100,000 and beyond. It will be interesting to see if the suit change hurts this effort. One prediction: I suspect OW swimming may increase in popularity since the B70 style suits are still legal here. It remains to be seen what happens with pool meets. Does anyone know how Puerto Rico meet numbers stack up against other somewhat hard-to-get-to Nationals venues from the past?

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Rich Abrahams — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:38:25 GMT

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Chris Stevenson — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:56:59 GMT

Everyone that was competitive wore a tech suit. It was fun to swim fast. Most people, but no, not everyone. And it is still fun to swim fast.

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knelson — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 04:20:12 GMT

I wouldn't use Larry Krauser as an example since he's swimming and playing water polo in Sweden. The guy's been back and forth between the venues like a madman. Polo is being played in another city that requires something like an hour bus ride from Gothenburg.

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lauraval — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 04:00:16 GMT

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Midas — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 02:57:03 GMT

My freestyle was no more impacted by the suits than my breaststroke for what it's worth. To me, it seems obvious that compression provided as great, if not greater, a speed benefit for many swimmers than the rubberized coating did. In any event, I'm glad that even during the tech suit era I still did about half of my swims in jammers. It has meant that I have a realistic sense for how I perform without the tech suits and it wasn't a crushing blow to discover how much of a swim aid those suits really are. In fact, it helped me realize that fact and is a big reason I'm happy the tech suits are gone.

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jim thornton — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 01:29:57 GMT

It can be downright shocking, buddy. Prepare thyself for the new world, but you're right on, I believe, with the fact we're all in the same boat. Or suit...or whatever... Jim, can you offer some before and after comparisons from your own swimming performances? And do you agree with Chris S's idea that sprints and freestyle are hurt the most? At SCY Colony Zones last spring, I wore the B70 for the 100 and 200 and got lifetime bests in both events. For the 50, I was one of the testers of the new Speedo jammer (absurdly priced, in my opinion). I went a respectable time for me--a 24.78, only a bit slower than the time I had swum it in a B70 two weeks earlier. However, I was having such a good meet, and the GMU pool was so much faster than the pool I'd swum in earlier that I do wonder if I might have broken 24 for the first time in ages with the B70. I'll never know, alas. But I concluded that the "fastest" jammer other people's money could buy was still between .25-1.00 seconds slower than the used B70 I got from a forumite for 1/4th the cost. Besides speed alone, one thing I noticed from the get go about the full body suits is they make swimming easier and less tiring for me. Because of this, I predict that my times in longer distance events, and in LCM pools, will be impacted more than shorter sprints. Personal prediction: 2-3 seconds per 100 LCM slower up to 400; 3-4 seconds (god, I hope no more!) in anything longer.

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Former Member — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 14:02:29 GMT

Another explanation for a drop off in the performance is a decline in motivation to train hard, but importantly to race. This is what I see around. We had a fun ride during the short "suit" phase of the sport of swimming evolution.

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Midas — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:53:49 GMT

I thought it would be interesting to look at the results from 2006 as well. Using Jim's events: M E N -- 55-59 -- 200 M. FREE ********************************** 1 JIM MC CONICA USA 2:10.01 2 ALEXANDER MILLS NOR 2:10.11 3 RICK WALKER USA 2:16.51 4 DAVE TANNER USA 2:17.32 5 JACK MARTIN USA 2:17.35 6 RONALD ARMSTRONG CAN 2:17.57 7 RONALD JACOBS USA 2:18.64 8 CRAIG SMITH USA 2:19.64 9 DON MORLEY USA 2:20.19 10 MIKE SHERRILL USA 2:20.33 ********************************** WOMEN -- 45-49 -- 200 M. FREE ********************************** 1 S.HEIM-BOWEN USA 2:14.83 2 SUSANNE SIMPSON USA 2:16.41 3 REBECCA PERROTT NZL 2:16.85 4 ELENE KAY JONES USA 2:16.90 5 MARGEE CURRAN USA 2:20.07 6 ANDREA BLOCK USA 2:20.22 7 KAREN ELLY GBR 2:22.13 8 TERRI MAGINNIS USA 2:23.05 9 KATHY GARNIER USA 2:23.87 10 K.ANDRUS-HUGHES USA 2:24.46 Observations: So even in the pre-rubberized suit days, it sure seems that the times in Sweden are slow(er). At least in these two examples. I find this especially interesting because, other than for zippers and coverage from the knees to ankles, the women's suits in 2006 and 2010 should essentially be the same. Also, I had always thought that the pre-rubberized suits didn't make people appreciably faster than shaved skin. I can think of a few explanations for this off the top of my head: 1. The Swedish pools are slower or there are other factors that are hindering peformance (like the weather for the outdoor venue). 2. The talent pool at each meet is very different, and this group may be comparatively slower. (It's not even necessarily fair to compare people who have aged 2 years to their prior times.) Many of the fastest Americans and Aussies are not at this year's meet. 3. Compression (zippers for the ladies, full body suits for the lads) played a larger role in performance enhancement than I thought. I decided to check my own (younger, less in need of compression) age groups results in the 100 *** for comparisson purposes: Here's 2010: 1 Vladislav Bragin 1971 Duck´s Creek 30.55 1:05.38 2 Timo Nolte 1973 SV Wasserfreunde 1898 Hannover 31.51 1:06.46 3 Simone Battiston 1975 Derthona Nuoto 32.64 1:08.43 4 Sergey Firichenko 1973 Troyka 32.56 1:08.98 5 Petr Gregor 1973 Slavoj Bruntal 33.15 1:09.15 6 Jiri Geers 1974 Arvicola Zwemclub Kalmthout 32.50 1:09.22 7 Vincent Bulbo 1974 BLAC 33.51 1:10.22 8 Mikael Olsson 1975 Ystads Simsällskap 33.01 1:10.89 9 Eerikki Rutanen 1972 Tuusulan Uimaseura 33.71 1:11.02 10 Lee Peterson 1974 Braintree and Bocking 33.22 1:11.20 Here's 2008: 1 TIMO NOLTE GER 1:06.73 2 PAVEL CHECHULIN RUS 1:09.61 3 RAFFAELE NOTTE ITA 1:10.54 4 STEPHEN HIRZEL FRA 1:11.30 5 BENJAMIN O'CONNOR AUS 1:11.74 6 C.SANNIER FRA 1:12.41 7 YURY SARAMUTIN RUS 1:13.43 8 EMILIANO GALLAZZI ITA 1:14.18 9 L.RAMIREZ COL 1:14.30 10 ARI AILIO FIN 1:14.65 Here's 2006: 1 ROQUE SANTOS USA 1:08.34 2 ANDREA AGOSTINONE ITA 1:08.43 3 AARON BARTLESON USA 1:10.33 4 RICARDO TORRES PAN 1:10.59 5 MIKE LANE USA 1:10.79 6 LORENZO BENUCCI USA 1:11.70 7 RAY SMITH RSA 1:13.51 8 PETER FINNEY USA 1:13.64 9 LUKE SALERNO USA 1:14.05 10 MARK OLDHAM CAN 1:14.40 Well, how about that? I thought that the 2010 times looked fast, and they are! Despite no fancy suits, at least down in 35-39 100 ***, it looks like the boys are swimming faster than ever! Alright. One more comparisson. This time in my esteemed teammate's age group in the 100 *** 65-69: Here's 2010: 1 Kenneth Frost 1944 Tamalpais Aquatic Masters 38.13 1:20.98 CR 2 Dieter Hoefel 1945 Sparta Konstanz 38.57 1:22.37 3 Pertti Laaksonen 1943 Helsingin Uimarit 41.68 1:25.23 4 Peter Frenzel 1943 SG Stadtwerke München 40.47 1:27.65 5 Gabor Somlai 1944 UJBUDA Senior SC Budapest 40.96 1:28.59 6 Pavel Pejsa 1944 Bohemians Praha 42.81 1:30.00 7 Peter Stockhammer 1945 Delphin Herzogenaurach 42.26 1:30.03 8 Matthias Kroner 1943 Göteborg Sim 43.48 1:31.15 9 Siffroy Alain 1943 CHALLANS NATATION 42.63 1:31.19 10 Alexander Morshin 1945 Moscow Masters 41.03 1:31.43 Here's 2008: 1 GERSHON SHEFA ISR 1:21.75 2 RICHARD TODD USA 1:24.00 3 ERIK HAITES CAN 1:24.97 4 RAINER OPITZ GER 1:27.03 5 MATTHIAS KRONER SWE 1:28.65 6 ANTONIO ORSELLI BRA 1:28.78 7 HENRY MORRIS *** GBR 1:30.50 8 KEITH SHAW CAN 1:31.01 9 BRYAN FINLAY CAN 1:31.80 10 GIANFRANCO NASTI ITA 1:31.97 Here's 2006: 1 J.GOODWIN AUS 1:26.74 2 MIKE FRESHLEY USA 1:27.50 3 KARL WIEDAMANN USA 1:27.60 4 KARL ODKOLEK GER 1:30.34 4 PETER JOSEPH AUS 1:30.34 6 MICHAEL LAUX USA 1:30.46 7 DONALD PUCHALSKI USA 1:33.95 8 JIM PERILMAN USA 1:34.68 9 J.MADELENAT FRA 1:35.89 10 HIROYUKI NAGAOKA JPN 1:36.50 (For comparisson, Ken Frost went 1:18.16 two years ago when he was 64 and 1:17.89 in 2006 when he was 62.) Again, this year the times were faster than in the prior two Worlds. So on an admittedly limited data set, I'm feeling that the explanation for time differences probably has less to do with the suits than it does with the swimmers.

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Jeff Commings — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 06:21:24 GMT

I'm not saying the suits have no effect. For me personally, the suits made me about 1 second faster per 100 than when I was shaved and wearing an FS Pro jammer. I'm just saying that, as you imply, there are lots of factors which could lead to slower times and it's not all (or necessarily even primarily) attributable to the suits. Maybe Vlad's career, family or other interests interfered with his training and he was badly out of shape. Or maybe he was sick recently (or currently). Or a host of other things. I can't believe that the suits could cause an elite-class swimmer to drop 3 seconds in his 100 ***. I'd be curious for his perspective. I had just about everything go wrong for me in my preparation for my taper meet three weeks ago, and I swam a second slower than my high-tech suit time in the 50 *** (my only high-tech event in long course last year). So, if he really had poor preparation, I will understand. But I doubt that was the case. That's all I have to say about that.

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Midas — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 05:21:46 GMT

I must point out that Vladislav Bragin, the world record holder in the 35-39 100 ***, swam more than three seconds slower than the world record he set last November. I just checked results for the 50, and he didn't even win. He went almost a second slower than his 50 world record (but still faster than I was able to go this summer). When I watched video of both those world records, I believed -- and still do -- that the suits were of big help to him. Unless there was a major headwind, he didn't have his suit tied, his goggles filled with water and he was not tapered this week, there's no other explanation for a three-second differential in a 100 in six months. Also of note (at least to me): Ukranian Olympian Oleg Lisogor swam a 28.63 in the 30-34 50 ***, breaking my meet record of 29.01 from 2006. I'm not saying the suits have no effect. For me personally, the suits made me about 1 second faster per 100 than when I was shaved and wearing an FS Pro jammer. I'm just saying that, as you imply, there are lots of factors which could lead to slower times and it's not all (or necessarily even primarily) attributable to the suits. Maybe Vlad's career, family or other interests interfered with his training and he was badly out of shape. Or maybe he was sick recently (or currently). Or a host of other things. I can't believe that the suits could cause an elite-class swimmer to drop 3 seconds in his 100 ***. I'd be curious for his perspective.

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Jeff Commings — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 02:05:07 GMT

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jim thornton — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:35:33 GMT

Here, by the way, are the times for 100 free in Leslie "The Fortress" Livingston's age group: Now: Event 5, 100m Free Women, Finals 45 - 49 years Est. start time 12.30 Place Name Born Club 50m Finish Status 1 Susanne Reibel-Oberle 1964 SSV Lahr GER 31.06 1:03.70 2 Cecilia Stanford 1961 Cape Town Masters SC RSA 31.58 1:03.84 3 Susanna Rosén 1963 Ystads Simsällskap SWE 30.82 1:04.01 4 Carola Khouri 1962 AHSM USA 31.12 1:04.98 5 Marcelle Strauss 1964 Cape Town Masters SC RSA 31.07 1:06.12 6 Ann-Louise Arktoft 1964 Stockholmspolisens Sim IF SWE 31.17 1:06.32 7 Sybille Ermisch 1964 SV Halle e.V. GER 31.17 1:07.04 8 Wilma van Velsen 1964 Montferland NED 32.74 1:07.77 9 Tine Carstensen 1962 Næstved IF DEN 33.04 1:08.06 10 Dorothea Pielke 1965 SGS Hannover GER 32.13 1:08.31 Perth: ********************************** WOMEN -- 45-49 -- 100 M. FREE ********************************** 1 REBECCA PERROTT NZL 1:01.03 2 SUSANNA ROSEN SWE 1:02.55 3 CECILIA STANFORD RSA 1:03.40 4 BARBARA GELLRICH GER 1:03.49 5 ENEY JONES USA 1:04.42 6 SHIZUKO HIRAISHI JPN 1:05.31 7 SALLY STANFORD AUS 1:05.51 8 CAROLYN TURNHAM AUS 1:06.45 9 TINE CARSTENSEN DEN 1:06.47 10 BARBARA SMITH AUS 1:06.88 Maybe Leslie was right. I thought that women would fare much better than men with the suit change rules, but if this is any indication, they are swimming slower too.

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jim thornton — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:31:11 GMT

Anybody getting a sense to what extent the lack of the body suits are affecting men and women? Here is the 100 for my age group without the tech suits: 1 Tom Hickcox 1953 Arizona Masters 28.90 59.71 2 Larry Krauser 1953 Hydropower Masters Swim Club 29.94 1:00.56 3 Leonard Bielicz 1951 Göteborg Sim 28.41 1:01.11 4 James Montgomery 1955 Dallas Aquatic Masters 29.87 1:01.61 5 Alexander Mills 1951 Hamar IL 29.55 1:02.09 6 Eric van Boer 1954 Rolling Hills Mud Sharks 29.64 1:02.19 7 Bengt Jönsson 1955 Sollefteå Allmänna Simsällskap 30.75 1:02.69 8 Claudio Berrini 1954 Centro Nuoto Bastia 30.28 1:03.27 9 Bob White 1954 001-WMAC 29.90 1:03.33 Here is the same event from 2008 in Perth: M E N -- 55-59 -- 100 M. FREE ********************************** 1 LARRY KRAUSER USA 0:58.78 2 ALEXANDER MILLS NOR 0:59.27 3 WILLIAM DEVENISH AUS 0:59.52 4 LEONARD BIELICZ SWE 0:59.78 5 MIKE TENNANT USA 1:00.18 6 ROSS KEE AUS 1:01.56 7 JOHN WYNBERG AUS 1:01.82 8 LUIS PINEYRO MEX 1:02.14 9 DOUG HOWIESON RSA 1:02.48 10 TIMOTHY BACH AUS 1:02.74 Seems like a significant difference to me--upwards of a 2 second difference for 100 m free.

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jim thornton — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 11:45:57 GMT

Leslie is frequently right. However, before her most recent "I told you so" is 100 percent validated, I think we may need more data. Jack Martin just told me the 200 free results are in, and the winning time in my age group is a 2:14--the same that I did last year. Nobody is going to mistake me for a world beater. The suit has clearly made a difference in men. Let me post the times for the 200 in my and Leslie's age group, this year and in 2008: Event 12, 200m Free Men, Finals 55 - 59 years Place Name Born Club 50m 100m 150m Finish Status 1 Tom Hickcox 1953 Arizona Masters USA 30.41 1:04.08 1:39.14 2:14.61 2 Larry Krauser 1953 Hydropower Masters Swim Club USA 31.40 1:07.07 1:42.78 2:15.81 3 Bengt Jönsson 1955 Sollefteå Allmänna Simsällskap SWE 32.87 1:08.25 1:43.66 2:18.27 4 Miroslaw Warchol 1953 WMT Warsaw POL 32.76 1:07.74 1:44.37 2:21.10 5 Claudio Berrini 1954 Centro Nuoto Bastia ITA 33.66 1:09.14 1:45.91 2:21.28 6 Anthony Morris 1955 Aer Lingus Masters IRL 32.22 1:07.14 1:43.53 2:21.32 7 Joel Kriger 1953 Masters Parana BRA 33.35 1:08.92 1:44.94 2:21.55 8 Percival Knowles 1955 Swift Swimming BAH 32.81 1:08.65 1:45.28 2:21.93 9 Franck Mage 1955 Ems Bron FRA 33.11 1:10.04 1:46.72 2:22.02 10 Alexander Mills 1951 Hamar IL NOR 32.78 1:08.56 1:45.20 2:22.07 (note: my time at LCM Nats last summer was 2:14.73!) ********************************** M E N -- 55-59 -- 200 M. FREE ********************************** 1 WILLIAM DEVENISH AUS 2:09.54 2 LARRY KRAUSER USA 2:11.01 3 J.CHATARD FRA 2:13.70 4 ALEXANDER MILLS NOR 2:14.00 5 DOUG HOWIESON RSA 2:14.93 6 ROSS KEE AUS 2:15.15 7 JOEL KRIGER BRA 2:15.91 8 MACIEJ SLUGOCKI AUS 2:16.45 9 PETER RAE GBR 2:16.76 10 LUIS PINEYRO MEX 2:18.19 Event 11, 200m Free Women, Finals 45 - 49 years Est. start time 12:00 Place Name Born Club 50m 100m 150m Finish Status 1 Susanna Rosén 1963 Ystads Simsällskap SWE 31.37 1:05.17 1:40.71 2:16.41 2 Dymphna Morris 1961 Aer Lingus Masters IRL 33.04 1:08.72 1:45.26 2:22.76 3 Carola Khouri 1962 AHSM USA 33.68 1:10.09 1:47.41 2:23.18 4 Marcelle Strauss 1964 Cape Town Masters SC RSA 32.72 1:08.88 1:47.54 2:25.95 5 Anne-Mari Käräjämies 1964 Nummelan Kisaajat FIN 33.34 1:09.47 1:48.56 2:26.54 6 Dorothea Pielke 1965 SGS Hannover GER 34.23 1:12.13 1:50.58 2:29.20 7 Julie Astley 1965 Adelaide Masters AUS 33.73 1:10.99 1:49.88 2:29.71 8 Sandrine Le Meur 1964 CL OMNISPORTS VERNOUILLET FRA 34.23 1:12.17 1:51.83 2:31.04 9 Beate Schortmann 1965 Heidmühler FC GER 34.82 1:14.37 1:54.59 2:33.90 10 Lena Marklund 1965 Upsala Simsällskap SWE 35.47 1:13.42 1:53.52 2:34.63 ********************************** WOMEN -- 45-49 -- 200 M. FREE ********************************** 1 K.PIPES-NEILSEN FRA 2:13.19 2 REBECCA PERROTT NZL 2:13.55 3 SUSANNE SIMPSON USA 2:15.27 4 SUSANNA ROSEN SWE 2:17.73 5 ENEY JONES USA 2:18.10 6 BARBARA SMITH AUS 2:23.04 7 ELIZABETH WEBB RSA 2:25.25 8 DENISE BROWN USA 2:25.70 9 JOANNE SUTCLIFFE AUS 2:25.92 10 CAROLYN TURNHAM AUS 2:26.09

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Jim Clemmons — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 11:01:20 GMT

Saw Vlad had a nice 100 free, 51.72.

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The Fortress — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 09:23:35 GMT

Maybe Leslie was right. I thought that women would fare much better than men with the suit change rules, but if this is any indication, they are swimming slower too. I told you so. :D

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Former Member — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 06:58:14 GMT

The few times at the top are slower, but Cecilia Stanford, the only common name on the list is actually .4 faster this time. And the end of the top ten is two seconds slower. I don't think you can draw any conclusions from this group. It's too different from last time. I had the same thought. If you could compare the same swimmers from the previous worlds, in the same event, then we might have a better understanding of the suit factors.

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Former Member — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 05:34:23 GMT

Seems like a significant difference to me--upwards of a 2 second difference for 100 m free. They just need to train harder and eat better.