NCAA Conference Realignments

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Former Member — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:33:27 GMT

UT, 3 others poised for Pac-10 This has changed since the article was written (though it could still end up that way).

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Former Member — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:34:27 GMT

Notre Dame can do well on its own - no other school can say that (though Texas thinks it can). In a sense that is what Texas already does. Nebraska and Colorado just got tired of it so they left. The Big 12 TV contract was split 17 ways with Texas getting 4 shares (I don't have the exact details on this but I think it is about how it worked). From a swimming perspecitve Texas does a great job. But by NOT dividing TV revenues with the other conference schools those schools were unable to support the other sports. Some of you may know, but the Big 12 has only 3 men's swimming programs. I am also certain that the Big 12 is courting Notre Dame. Basically it will be the Texas/Notre Dame Television Net Work conference.

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Former Member — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:26:46 GMT

BTW - Texas turned down the Pac10 tonight. It looks like the Big12 will remain. collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/.../

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Former Member — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:25:20 GMT

It pains me to defend UT but this post is misleading. Look at all those sports they support, that is the most impressive thing to me. That is a lot of opportunities for a lot of kids. Are you kidding? Texas supports comparatively few sports compared to Stanford (for example) - who spends less money. Texas throws a huge amount of money at football, basketball, and baseball. They pay all of their coaches top dollar. They have outstanding facilities for every sport. But the results do not match the spending. You might find the link below interesting: www.texastribune.org/.../ The top 20 in salaries is riddled with UT coaches.

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ande — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:29:21 GMT

UT, 3 others poised for Pac-10

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Former Member — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:32:25 GMT

...cuz they were #6 and you only printed 5? or was it because you picked the '08-'09 list instead of the '07-'08 list where UNC was #14 (oh yeah, Texas #5)? Or how 'bout the '05-06 list where Texas was #3 and UNC #4? Actually, there's some cool data on this, except for the fact that that school with a tree for a mascot always seems to be #1. :badday: Texas has the largest budget and revenue in the country - about $140M. Its Directors Cup performance is decidedly mediocre considering the money spent. I believe they will finish in the 11-20 group this year, now that they are out of baseball. This academic year I think they performed as expected in football, men's swimming, and women's volleyball. They probably finished in the hunt for baseball, softball, golf and tennis. They underachieved in basketball, soccer, women's swimming, and track and field. Texas is showing that they are an athletic financial powerhouse, but on field results don't match up.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:11:11 GMT

Texas has the largest budget and revenue in the country - about $140M...Texas is showing that they are an athletic financial powerhouse, but on field results don't match up.For those of us in "minor" sports, I think we'd be happy if each of our respective alma maters could learn more about fiscal prowess when it comes to athletics; the number one reason always given for cutting swimming programs is money. I know many of us don't always like the glory (and # of scholarships) that football or basketball teams get on campus, but if they keep the coffers full and the chlorine pumping, more power to 'em.

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aquageek — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 02:01:37 GMT

Texas has the largest budget and revenue in the country - about $140M. Its Directors Cup performance is decidedly mediocre considering the money spent. I believe they will finish in the 11-20 group this year, now that they are out of baseball. This academic year I think they performed as expected in football, men's swimming, and women's volleyball. They probably finished in the hunt for baseball, softball, golf and tennis. They underachieved in basketball, soccer, women's swimming, and track and field. Texas is showing that they are an athletic financial powerhouse, but on field results don't match up. It pains me to defend UT but this post is misleading. Look at all those sports they support, that is the most impressive thing to me. That is a lot of opportunities for a lot of kids.

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Former Member — Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:11:58 GMT

If you think about it conferences are much more important in football, though. The only thing people really care about in basketball is the NCAA Tourney and that isn't nearly as tied to conference as football bowl games are. Yes, the conference tournament winners in basketball get an automatic bid to the dance, but good teams will get in regardless of their conference affiliation. In football many of the bowl spots are allocated to the various conferences. I agree. For football, it comes down to football and the TV contracts that each conference can generate. Notre Dame can do well on its own - no other school can say that (though Texas thinks it can). After that, the Big Ten network is really important, then the SEC-CBS contract. Nebraska cut itself a sweet deal - it was shortchanged in the Big 12 because the Texas schools took most of the money, and it came into a pot of gold because of the Big Ten network. Not bad for a state with fewer people than Metropolitan St. Louis. Basketball TV ratings aren't very high until the tournament, and as you point out, conference affiliation isn't important in the NCAAs (unless you are in a minor conference like Patriot League - there conference is about the only way you'll get in).

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Former Member — Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:00:26 GMT

As far as the conference realignments go, it's not worth debating which school does better among all sports. The move is all about football. Look at the Big 12. Colorado - good football, awful basketball - got out. Nebraska - good football, awful basketball - got out. And the schools that got screwed? Missouri - good football, good basketball. Kansas - weak in football, top-notch basketball.

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knelson — Sun, 13 Jun 2010 03:11:09 GMT

As far as the conference realignments go, it's not worth debating which school does better among all sports. The move is all about football. If you think about it conferences are much more important in football, though. The only thing people really care about in basketball is the NCAA Tourney and that isn't nearly as tied to conference as football bowl games are. Yes, the conference tournament winners in basketball get an automatic bid to the dance, but good teams will get in regardless of their conference affiliation. In football many of the bowl spots are allocated to the various conferences.

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aquageek — Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:43:51 GMT

Latest standings from this year: 1. Stanford 2. Ohio State 3. Virginia 4. Duke 5. North Carolina Yeah, the ACC sure does suck as an overall athletic conference. :) Chris: Give those guys in the Big 11 a break, they only have a few more days of being an actual conference.

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Chris Stevenson — Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:59:13 GMT

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Patrick W. Brundage — Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:32:29 GMT

Latest standings from this year: 1. Stanford 2. Ohio State 3. Virginia 4. Duke 5. North Carolina Yeah, the ACC sure does suck as an overall athletic conference. :)If I actually cared more, I'd have to dig into the data, the model, the weightings. There's something screwy here when UVA and athletics are combined. I'll give you UNC and Duke and Bernadino's done more with the UVa swim team over the years than I ever imagined, but I doubt if you asked the average American college sports fan to rank a powerhouse school that Virginia would be in their top 5. Maybe someone's ranking lacrosse too heavily in the algorithm? Sadly, I'm still sad about the #1 team ... moreso because I believe it ... not for swimming, mind you, but overall, the Cardinal's pretty darn good. There, I said it. I'll never get invited to an event in Austin ever again.

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gobears — Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:57:19 GMT

Actually, there's some cool data on this, except for the fact that that school with a tree for a mascot always seems to be #1. :badday: Sad, isn't it? :)

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elise526 — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:57:45 GMT

If they could abide by Division III (Duke football might be somewhat competitive in Div. III), there's the University Athletic Conference. It was known as "the nerdy nine" until Hopkins dropped out, leaving them with eight members (Brandes, Carnegie Mellon, NYU, Emory, Case Western, U of Chicago, Wash U) ... Soon, they'll all be able to beat USC in football. Why did Hopkins drop out? Is the rumor true that they weren't happy with getting second to Emory at UAAs? :bolt:

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Patrick W. Brundage — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:49:54 GMT

Director's cup ("to the colleges and universities with the most success in collegiate athletics") results for last year: 1. Stanford 2. North Carolina 3. Florida 4. USC 5. Michigan Not seeing Texas on that list, what a shocker. ...cuz they were #6 and you only printed 5? or was it because you picked the '08-'09 list instead of the '07-'08 list where UNC was #14 (oh yeah, Texas #5)? Or how 'bout the '05-06 list where Texas was #3 and UNC #4? Actually, there's some cool data on this, except for the fact that that school with a tree for a mascot always seems to be #1. :badday:

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Former Member — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:33:00 GMT

If they could abide by Division III (Duke football might be somewhat competitive in Div. III), there's the University Athletic Conference. It was known as "the nerdy nine" until Hopkins dropped out, leaving them with eight members (Brandes, Carnegie Mellon, NYU, Emory, Case Western, U of Chicago, Wash U) ... Soon, they'll all be able to beat USC in football. Naw, USC will still have more thugs than most teams. Heck, a deplited USC can still be a duke or unc. Now, it would be funny to see unc pull off an upset over kiffin's team.

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Chris Stevenson — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:24:06 GMT

Basketball, schmasketball. I was thinking of well-rounded sports programs that produced top ranked teams across a number of sports like baseball, swimming, track & field, tennis, golf, ... and football and basketball ... not one trick pony schools/conferences. ;) Director's cup ("to the colleges and universities with the most success in collegiate athletics") results for last year: 1. Stanford 2. North Carolina 3. Florida 4. USC 5. Michigan Not seeing Texas on that list, what a shocker.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:31:07 GMT

There are sports besides football, know that is foreign to UT fans! Basketball, schmasketball. I was thinking of well-rounded sports programs that produced top ranked teams across a number of sports like baseball, swimming, track & field, tennis, golf, ... and football and basketball ... not one trick pony schools/conferences. ;)

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aquageek — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:11:15 GMT

ACC? Power conference? You must be getting lightheaded from all that cycling and post-cycling beers. There are sports besides football, know that is foreign to UT fans! Remember the NCAA tourney is still the most lucrative contract, or was the last time I checked.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:58:20 GMT

When it is all said and done you will basically have 4 power conferences left - SEC, Big Ten, Pac 10 and the ACC. There's nothing left of the Big East anymore.ACC? Power conference? You must be getting lightheaded from all that cycling and post-cycling beers.

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Former Member — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:20:39 GMT

I could be wrong. Must be a daily thought for you.

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Former Member — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:54:54 GMT

I guess it's moot for lots of schools that don't have programs UNLESS it encourages some to restore their programs. I'm not expecting this to occur, however. I think the conference shuffling is 99% about football. You can add the other 1% to your estimate. They certainly don't make the move for academics.

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Former Member — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:24:09 GMT

I see the first official move was made today with Colorado agreeing to join the Pac-10. Moot for Colorado, CU hasn't had men's or women's' swimming, other then club, for a long long time.