Top Ten Reasons I Hate Tech Suits

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Former Member — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:06:03 GMT

Obviously according to at least one other person on here...not very humorous!!! That's why they call it an opinion.

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Former Member — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:48:16 GMT

To you, mockery. To me, sense of humor. All in the eyes of how one views the comment. Obviously according to at least one other person on here...not very humorous!!!

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Former Member — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:39:34 GMT

Wook, there is a huge difference in humor and directly mocking someones beliefs like you did in your post to me. And believe me I was not offended by your mockery...it was not me you were actually mocking anyway, was it? It kind of shows the intolerance of the supposed tolerant people in our society... To you, mockery. To me, sense of humor. All in the eyes of how one views the comment.

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Former Member — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:23:08 GMT

:angel: Awww, what happened to having a sense of humor about life. Wook, there is a huge difference in humor and directly mocking someones beliefs like you did in your post to me. And believe me I was not offended by your mockery...it was not me you were actually mocking anyway, was it? It kind of shows the intolerance of the supposed tolerant people in our society...

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Former Member — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 06:57:46 GMT

Hey Stud, I heard a rumor that during all your heats Mark Gill announced "There will be a 15 minute break while SwimStud completes his swim. Thank you all for your patience." :bolt: No, you misunderstood the rumor. From what I was told, Mark announced "There will be a 15 minute break while Swimstud climbs onto the blocks" Wow...and they said Laurel and Hardy were dead... :bitching: I purposely did not enter Backstroke at Nationals to save time for everyone...though that announcement could have been warranted for my 200 BR. :bump:

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Former Member — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 06:47:12 GMT

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Former Member — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 06:07:32 GMT

Again, can we shelve this until September? Agreed. How about we shelve it until the FINA Congress meets in 2013

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Former Member — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 05:19:43 GMT

I'm not sure I understand the strong attachment to the suits. Swimming is progressing just fine with out them. Locally, there were some incredibly fast swims at the high school level without the suits. The 50 and 100 free national records were taken down, as well as, the girls 100 back. Vladimir Morozov went 19.43 and 42.87 in the 50 and 100 free. www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/.../24235.asp Coughlin's 100 back record was destroyed by about a second. Cindy Tran went 51.85! My son's HS team took a stab at the 400 free relay record and clocked a 3:02.8! (they went 3:05.xx in the suits the previous year). Still fast and still fun.

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Karen Duggan — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 03:57:08 GMT

You're right Leslie. I should just not read it either. I guess I don't understand WHY people keep bringing it up. If we were to gather all conversations and threads about the topic, we'd have a ten volume collection, each the size of War and Peace! Enough already. I am now averting my eyes. Could someone please let me know if something good comes up in this thread?:agree:

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Midas — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 03:54:12 GMT

I think we should all try a season or two without the tech suits and see if it really makes swimming significantly less fun for the majority of competitive swimmers or dramatically reduces participation by body-conscious (seemingly an oxymoron) or speed conscious swimmers before we make any further changes to the rules.

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The Fortress — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 03:07:52 GMT

til 4 days before convention? No discussion until after LCM season, Please! I just can't take it anymore. This extra year of discussion was just torture for my eyes and ears, more the eyes! :) How 'bout just not reading the thread? I have no problem avoiding threads I'm not interested in or that cause "torture."

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knelson — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:39:16 GMT

*cough*all that money and only be allowed 3 events because they're slow*cough* Hey Stud, I heard a rumor that during all your heats Mark Gill announced "There will be a 15 minute break while SwimStud completes his swim. Thank you all for your patience." :bolt:

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Karen Duggan — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:30:29 GMT

Yes. Please. 2013- just make it go away (insert whining smiley here)

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tjrpatt — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 01:39:17 GMT

Again, can we shelve this until September? til 4 days before convention? No discussion until after LCM season, Please! I just can't take it anymore. This extra year of discussion was just torture for my eyes and ears, more the eyes! :)

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Karen Duggan — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 01:30:06 GMT

Again, can we shelve this until September?

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The Fortress — Sun, 30 May 2010 11:38:24 GMT

Just to make sure I understand this argument, are you saying (a)historically having to wear suit that covered more of their bodies put women at a "technological disadvantage" due to the added drag of such suits, (b) modern suits are fairly close to drag-neutral (and offer whatever benefits compression gives) (saying nothing for "tech" suits, which make you faster than pure skin), therefore (c) to correct this perceived historical disadvantage, only women should be allowed to have greater permissible coverage? No, that was not what I was saying at all.

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Former Member — Sun, 30 May 2010 10:03:02 GMT

That is why there is a wetsuit and skin division in open water.

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Midas — Sun, 30 May 2010 05:56:10 GMT

I don't buy the equality argument. Men used to wear briefs and women tanks. Then, men wore jammers and women kneeskins. Allowing men to wear their so-called "farmer john" suits with no concomitant tech edge for women would give men a tech advantage over FINA rules and women none. Seems unfair to me. As to the whether women really want more coverage issue, I am a firm yes. I hate kneeskins. They are only designed to make women look fat, and absolutely crush the legs. Zippers are also key for women b/c they help prevent the girls from falling/sticking out. If people are really so against rubber, I'd vote (as a couple folks have here) to returning to the bodysuits with zippers from circa 2007. But, again, I don't think "rubber" is a bad word. Just to make sure I understand this argument, are you saying (a)historically having to wear suit that covered more of their bodies put women at a "technological disadvantage" due to the added drag of such suits, (b) modern suits are fairly close to drag-neutral (and offer whatever benefits compression gives) (saying nothing for "tech" suits, which make you faster than pure skin), therefore (c) to correct this perceived historical disadvantage, only women should be allowed to have greater permissible coverage? I think one of your arguments for tech suits is that they are "fun" and "fast". If this extra coverage is "fun" and "fast", why shouldn't men be able to take advantage of it? Since women and men don't actually compete, I'm not sure how it is an "advantage" as between the sexes in any event. As to rubber, I swam in the SF Bay with a wetsuit on this weekend (the water was a brisk 54 degrees, which is a little colder than I've ever experienced before so I think the extra coverage was justified (though I was the only person in a group of 20 that wore a wetsuit--those Dolphin Club swimmers are HARD CORE)). I have to say, wearing the wetsuit is fun and fast. I know people argue that the full body suits encourage more participation. I bet wetsuits (with their added flotation) would encourage even MORE participation as non-"swimmers" (or "poor" swimmers) would be able to compete. It's not like the wetsuits do the swimming for you, after all. What do people think? :)

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The Fortress — Sun, 30 May 2010 04:44:18 GMT

Having read a few threads on this discussion, thought I'd chime in. I have a zip-up long-leg fastskin bought in 2005 (worn at 2 meets) way before all these rubber suits came out. Anyway I love the coverage it gave, not because of modesty, but it did help keep my legs on top of the water on my distance freestyle. Plus it felt good to wear. FWIW I think men should be allowed the knee-length bodysuits same as the women. I don't buy the equality argument. Men used to wear briefs and women tanks. Then, men wore jammers and women kneeskins. Allowing men to wear their so-called "farmer john" suits with no concomitant tech edge for women would give men a tech advantage over FINA rules and women none. Seems unfair to me. As to the whether women really want more coverage issue, I am a firm yes. I hate kneeskins. They are only designed to make women look fat, and absolutely crush the legs. Zippers are also key for women b/c they help prevent the girls from falling/sticking out. If people are really so against rubber, I'd vote (as a couple folks have here) to returning to the bodysuits with zippers from circa 2007. But, again, I don't think "rubber" is a bad word.

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Former Member — Sat, 29 May 2010 14:22:27 GMT

Dear mr. perfect, Thank You for your fine compliment. I appreciate the support you have given me. One day, I hope to be able to be as wise, as thoughtful and as perfect as you. Wookarooni, Thank you, however, I am not perfect. I am practically perfect in every way. Just like that nice lady in the movie. When do you want your super-extra small time machine helmet you ordered?

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swimr4life — Sat, 29 May 2010 12:40:39 GMT

You can always pray for our souls and ask for us to see the error of our ways in expressing our opinions. Oh please save me for I have sinned by rejoicing in my right of freedom of speech. Oh I beg thee for grace and salvation Wow.....that is not very nice. This is my first time back on the forum in a long time. It's hateful comments like this that have kept me away.

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Former Member — Sat, 29 May 2010 11:40:11 GMT

Not exactly, no. The Executive Committee and the Rules Committee can act on changes that occur between meetings. I believe (but would have to look it up) that the Rules Committee has to approve such "emergency" rule changes by a supermajority. The HOD never voted on a motion involving technical suits. There was a straw poll of the HOD (I'm going from memory here) on when/whether to implement a tech suit ban if FINA decided to implement one. It was not a binding vote; the Rules Committee wanted to get a sense of the will of the HOD. At the time it was thought that FINA would act fairly soon (October) on the tech suit issue and the HOD voted by a fairly narrow majority to implement a ban immediately (across all courses) if FINA did so. (The next largest vote total wanted to wait until June 1 for SCY; that's how I voted, by the way.) But as you know, FINA waited until mid-January and by that time the SCY season was more than half over. The Rules committee was still divided on the issue, a minority wanting to implement a ban (in SCY) immediately but a majority thinking that it would be unfair to implement the ban so far into the season. The Executive Committee agreed with their recommendation of a June 1 implementation. Sometimes things come up between HOD sessions that need to be acted upon; that's why it was called an "emergency" rule change. (BTW, if they had done nothing, the FINA rules would have ruled all our competitions, including SCY; that's the "default" option.) The people on the Executive Committee are elected by the HOD to represent (all of) us in those circumstances. So it seems reasonably democratic to me. Limiting votes to "competitors" is problematic at best. It isn't as if we have only physicians voting on health care policy and climatologists voting on global warming policy, though there are undoubtedly some who think that should be the case. Thanks for clarifying that one. I still feel that the voice of the competitors should carry more weight than those who belong to usms for fitness or train for triathlons and don't do meets.

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Former Member — Sat, 29 May 2010 11:35:58 GMT

Wookeroondoon (aka Lennie Small), It is rare to find someone with the courage to post such a statement. Your Pal Dear mr. perfect, Thank You for your fine compliment. I appreciate the support you have given me. One day, I hope to be able to be as wise, as thoughtful and as perfect as you. Until that time, I will try to follow in your footsteps, aiming to change my flawed ways, so that one day, I too will be perfect. May one day, my life be as fulfilled as yours.

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Former Member — Sat, 29 May 2010 11:30:27 GMT

Imitation is one thing...making fun of someones beliefs is another...even you should know that... Living where we do, if one can't have some fun even with beliefs, then people would go crazy.

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Former Member — Sat, 29 May 2010 11:21:05 GMT

I'm good with that, too. And I don't see why men can't have kneeskins. Me too.