Rob Butcher stirring it up on the Morning Swim Show!

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Former Member — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:14:30 GMT

Paul, your last sentence is very important for people to realize...and heed. Reducing is good...reducing too much is bad...

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tjrpatt — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:30:27 GMT

Jim, what exactly did you do? That is pretty impressive. Short of depression induced by heartbreak, I don't know of any effective weight loss strategies. Unfortunately, I am now completely over CremePuff and back on my feed. Jim, Just do the 50 Cent diet. All liquids and 3 hours a day on the treadmill and you will lose 50 pounds. Of course, I think that he lost 50 lbs of muscle. :):) Get back to your 3 hours marathons of tennis and that could help too. The worst are people who eat like slobs and are built like Abercrombie models. Why can't I have that kind of metabolism. Why Why Why! :dedhorse: :dedhorse:

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Karen Duggan — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 01:24:12 GMT

I've mentioned it before, but there are a few overweight multiple world record holders in our ranks. Suit or not they're going to kick everyone's butt, and they look like they eat their share of Krispy Kremes. I think people forget the "talent" word sometimes.

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pwolf66 — Mon, 31 May 2010 10:43:30 GMT

Jim, what exactly did you do? That is pretty impressive. Short of depression induced by heartbreak, I don't know of any effective weight loss strategies. Unfortunately, I am now completely over CremePuff and back on my feed. Jim, it's basic math. Subtract more calories from your body than you add. Subtraction occurs thru a combination of basal metabolic rate (the calories needed to sustain your body) and exercise. But don't create too hogh of a negative caloric balance (more than 500 calories a day is not a good idea)

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Former Member — Sun, 30 May 2010 16:30:23 GMT

Do those that wear tech suits because of modesty wear them to practice as well? Or do they swim in a t-shirt or something?

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jim thornton — Sun, 30 May 2010 10:50:21 GMT

I'm with you on this, Patrick. Plus, Chris, I am one who, after Clovis, decided to start a weight loss effort and managed to trim ~10 lbs. off between then and Atlanta just so I'd be better prepared for meters competition. Went from 196/198 to 184/186. Jim, what exactly did you do? That is pretty impressive. Short of depression induced by heartbreak, I don't know of any effective weight loss strategies. Unfortunately, I am now completely over CremePuff and back on my feed.

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rtodd — Sun, 30 May 2010 04:36:47 GMT

you have a good point.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Sun, 30 May 2010 01:07:48 GMT

Do those that wear tech suits because of modesty wear them to practice as well? Or do they swim in a t-shirt or something?Anyone who wears a tech suit for modesty reasons never looked in the mirror while wearing one.

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Chris Stevenson — Sat, 29 May 2010 07:52:25 GMT

Allen, can you add a link, please? Alison, I think he's talking about this poll.

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swimshark — Sat, 29 May 2010 06:20:18 GMT

If you haven't already,please vote in the tech suit poll so our representatives have a numerical idea of our feelings. Allen, can you add a link, please?

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Jim Clemmons — Sat, 29 May 2010 03:09:50 GMT

Heresy, man! Krispy Kremes are absolutely part of a healthy (mental, at least) lifestyle and a just reward after a killer workout. Chased down with a triple espresso and you're golden, tech suit or no.:anim_coffee: I'm with you on this, Patrick. Plus, Chris, I am one who, after Clovis, decided to start a weight loss effort and managed to trim ~10 lbs. off between then and Atlanta just so I'd be better prepared for meters competition. Went from 196/198 to 184/186.

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Former Member — Fri, 28 May 2010 16:12:31 GMT

Instead, we should be encouraging our membership to, among other things, challenge themselves more in workouts participate in swim-related dryland exercise crosstrain (run, bike, play hockey) eat healthier and smarter sleep better we should never encourage anyone to play hockey

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Former Member — Fri, 28 May 2010 16:00:24 GMT

And, you said it quite well when you flashed me your "Swim Stud" hide at Nationals! :applaud: Haha you weren't the only one. I did it to Mark Gill at the end of the meet too...he looked a bit flummoxed...

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Former Member — Fri, 28 May 2010 13:09:24 GMT

When you are as tall as a smurf, you can be content as anything You're just envious because you use a whole bottle of anti-chlorine shampoo after each swim...:thhbbb:

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Former Member — Fri, 28 May 2010 13:03:19 GMT

mine in bold At convention there will probably be all sorts of claims about how tech suits increase participation (or not). A good example is that in the interview Rob implies that attendance at nationals was high because of the suits. maybe attendance was high it was because this event was sold as the "last chance" for THE SUITS What I would love to see is a broad, professionally designed survey that attempts to answer that question. The majority of our members have no plans to compete and could care less. So I would like answers to the following questions: -- for "newbies" (ie, those who are thinking of competing but haven't done so), would the tech suits be a draw or a deterrent? -- for those who compete regularly or semi-regularly, would the tech suits increase their enjoyment of the sport and/or make them more or less likely to continue to compete? for me... less likely. its nice to read about folks tearing up the pool, but my point of time reference is lost. (kind of like when someone says "the water is 10 degrees C".... i know that means "cold" but that's where it ends I think the whole "FINA doesn't care about SCY" argument is flimsy, though. No other rules are different, that I know about. (I sure would love to get rid of the 15m rule, for example.) and how about adding butterfly flipturns!

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Chris Stevenson — Fri, 28 May 2010 12:26:37 GMT

I'm not saying all of our tech-suit wearing membership are fatties. I am saying that those who are need to not be encouraged to continue to stop by Krispy Kreme for coffee and donuts after practice - and that everyone needs to look for healthier alternatives to maintaining and increasing their speed in the water. That's one way to look at things. And it is true that I have heard quite a few people (mostly jokingly) talk about having to lose weight once the tech suits are gone. But I have a related, self-image type of issue, and it is the reason I get turned off whenever someone says that masters swimmers need to cover up and have "compression suits." The vast majority of us -- even those who aren't really very overweight -- don't have the bodies we had when we were younger. I don't like hearing that, because of this, maybe we ought to be covering them up. Yes, a masters meet doesn't look like a college meet or the Olympics with all those hard bodies. So what? We are what we are. I don't think we have anything to be ashamed of. By participating in masters workouts and competitions we are taking positive steps to a healthy lifestyle.

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Former Member — Fri, 28 May 2010 12:22:29 GMT

I'm content swimming in anything...but then again...when you're me, it's easy to feel so confident...:D I think we need a flurry of "State Flag" or "State Emblem" briefs to be worn around the USMS circuit now. Wear your pride on your hide! That's what I say! When you are as tall as a smurf, you can be content as anything

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aquageek — Fri, 28 May 2010 12:16:43 GMT

Muppet - you are on a roll today and I'm staying out of your way. As a counterpoint to your argument concerning the elites, I will say that I have adult friends who participate in other sports who pay enormous amounts of money to go to "fantasy" camps with some of their sports greats. I will happily sacrifice a few spots on the rankings to be able to swim beside (I actually swam a 1000 with two Team Elite members in Feb) or at a meet with the best ever in our sport. I gave up donuts 5 years ago when I was super fat so I want my tech suit as a consolation prize for my years of deprivation.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Fri, 28 May 2010 12:15:12 GMT

I am saying that those who are need to not be encouraged to continue to stop by Krispy Kreme for coffee and donuts after practice - and that everyone needs to look for healthier alternatives to maintaining and increasing their speed in the water.Heresy, man! Krispy Kremes are absolutely part of a healthy (mental, at least) lifestyle and a just reward after a killer workout. Chased down with a triple espresso and you're golden, tech suit or no.:anim_coffee:

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Muppet — Fri, 28 May 2010 12:09:20 GMT

Also the argument that tech suits encourage elite swimmers (Jones, Gangloff, etc.) to attend USMS Nationals. OK, I'll buy the argument that it did this time, but will this trend continue? It's sort of a novelty this year since the suits were banned for everyone recently. Not only that, but do we really need to change the rules so a handful of Olympians might show up at Nationals? I love seeing these guys/gals at Nationals as much as the next person, but I don't think we should be changing rules to encourage this. Everyone 35 and up enjoys seeing the young fast guys. Yeah, they're nice to have around and all, but you all don't have to compete against them except for in relays. If these guys keep showing up to our (tech-suit-free) meets, then fine, I can deal with that. However, let's face it, we'll probably never see Fred Bousquet again. Because of folks like him, all us young folks (most of whom actually swim on MASTERS teams) get bumped out of top 10 and anyone who had a chance at USMS records now needs to be an olympic/world champs gold medalist to have a shot. Bring the suits back again, and all the young people who have quit swimming and want to try to come back and have FUN at the sport for once get even further discouraged and slip into a life of potato chips, XBox Live, etc. Talk about your law of unintended consequences...

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knelson — Fri, 28 May 2010 12:08:32 GMT

Tanika Jones Tanica Jamison is her name. Definitely an outstanding swimmer, but not a "household name" to swimmers like Cullen Jones. The coverage issue seems a little convenient to me. Yes, I realize people like the full body suits and I do too, but men seemed perfectly content to swim in briefs before full body suits were readily available. It seems to me people decided coverage was really important only when the full body suits started to seem faster than briefs.

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tjrpatt — Fri, 28 May 2010 12:06:13 GMT

This whole tech suit coming back is absolute :censor: crap. FINA got rid of them. Convention Delegates voted to get rid of them. The Executive Board voted to get rid of them (albeit if only delaying the implementation date to June 1). ENOUGH!! If USMS really wants to promote fitness and a healthy lifestyle as is bolded in the USMS Mission Statement above, then we need to stop turning a blind eye to our members who lead unhealthy lifestyles and stuffing their overweight bodies into slimming tech suits. Instead, we should be encouraging our membership to, among other things, challenge themselves more in workouts participate in swim-related dryland exercise crosstrain (run, bike, play hockey) eat healthier and smarter sleep better I'm not saying all of our tech-suit wearing membership are fatties. I am saying that those who are need to not be encouraged to continue to stop by Krispy Kreme for coffee and donuts after practice - and that everyone needs to look for healthier alternatives to maintaining and increasing their speed in the water. :bow: :bow: :bow:

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Muppet — Fri, 28 May 2010 11:59:46 GMT

U.S. Masters Swimming (USMS) is a national organization that provides organized workouts, competitions, clinics and workshops for adults aged 18 and over. Programs are open to all adult swimmers (fitness, triathlete, competitive, non-competitive) who are dedicated to improving their fitness through swimming. Founded in 1970, the non-profit corporation is organized with over 500 clubs in 52 regions throughout the United States. Membership numbers more than 50,000, with individual members ranging in age from 18 to over 100. Within the clubs, structured workouts, often with a coach, offer well-thought-out training assistance. Pool and open-water races provide opportunities to compete and measure individual progress at the local, state, national and international levels. USMS programs also offer stroke and technique clinics, workshops, and instruction, as well as social functions. All USMS programs are designed to help swimmers improve fitness and/or train for specific goals, and offer active support for a healthy lifestyle through friendship, and camaraderie. This whole tech suit coming back is absolute :censor: crap. FINA got rid of them. Convention Delegates voted to get rid of them. The Executive Board voted to get rid of them (albeit if only delaying the implementation date to June 1). ENOUGH!! If USMS really wants to promote fitness and a healthy lifestyle as is bolded in the USMS Mission Statement above, then we need to stop turning a blind eye to our members who lead unhealthy lifestyles and stuffing their overweight bodies into slimming tech suits. Instead, we should be encouraging our membership to, among other things, challenge themselves more in workouts participate in swim-related dryland exercise crosstrain (run, bike, play hockey) eat healthier and smarter sleep better I'm not saying all of our tech-suit wearing membership are fatties. I am saying that those who are need to not be encouraged to continue to stop by Krispy Kreme for coffee and donuts after practice - and that everyone needs to look for healthier alternatives to maintaining and increasing their speed in the water.

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Former Member — Fri, 28 May 2010 11:59:04 GMT

Tanica Jamison is her name. Definitely an outstanding swimmer, but not a "household name" to swimmers like Cullen Jones. The coverage issue seems a little convenient to me. Yes, I realize people like the full body suits and I do too, but men seemed perfectly content to swim in briefs before full body suits were readily available. It seems to me people decided coverage was really important only when the full body suits started to seem faster than briefs. I wouldn't say "perfectly content" but that was the only option men had for years. Once jammers came out, men really seemed to embrace them. Then the next step where the farmer john models, which came out shortly after the jammers. Most men did seem to be content in jammers until the first fastskins were introduced. I'm content swimming in anything...but then again...when you're me, it's easy to feel so confident...:D I think we need a flurry of "State Flag" or "State Emblem" briefs to be worn around the USMS circuit now. Wear your pride on your hide! That's what I say!

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Former Member — Fri, 28 May 2010 11:40:51 GMT

The coverage issue seems a little convenient to me. Yes, I realize people like the full body suits and I do too, but men seemed perfectly content to swim in briefs before full body suits were readily available. It seems to me people decided coverage was really important only when the full body suits started to seem faster than briefs. I wouldn't say "perfectly content" but that was the only option men had for years. Once jammers came out, men really seemed to embrace them. Then the next step where the farmer john models, which came out shortly after the jammers. Most men did seem to be content in jammers until the first fastskins were introduced.