The Sprint Free Lane

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__steve__ — Sun, 07 Sep 2014 05:23:10 GMT

From Pan Pacific Championships, Bruno Fratus goes 21.44. I noticed he (lane 3) used an unusual recovery. His right arm does straight arm, but his left arm recovers super fast and almost looks like it goes super wide and straight arm. He also surfaced very early and had the race won off the block (though he wasn't first off) www.youtube.com/watch Notice the wake of his kick. Looks like one kick of the cycle would explosively blast water 6 feet up in the air

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Former Member — Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:46:50 GMT

Sprinters I am swimming for 30 mins before work a few days a week in the fast lane of a busy public pool. I find the easiest thing to do is a quick one length sprint when circumstances permit - I cant do them off a regular time due to invading breastrokers, slow bobblers, and those who think the middle of the lane is for the slowest swimmers to stop other overtaking .... nuff said As a result I am looking at the optimum minor technical changes between swimming a 25m length or 50m , as opposed to say a 100m. There is no easily visible second clock so I am having to go by feel of how I am doing What beneficial changes have you noticed to your stroke technique when you have sprinted faster ? Ideas please Increased tempo obviously, but should I maintain the same stroke length as well, which seems difficult? Increased tempo also seems to mean I rotate less - is this an issue ? when I speed up I seem to swim flatter- does this go with the territory ? should I begin the catch a bit earlier ? is there really different ultra sprint stroke?

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smontanaro — Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:11:34 GMT

I cant do them off a regular time due to invading breastrokers, slow bobblers, and those who think the middle of the lane is for the slowest swimmers to stop other overtaking .... nuff said Nah, just incorporate those obstacles into your sprints. Whenever you encounter such people, submerge, dolphin kick past them (on your back, smiling would be a nice touch), surface, then carry on. That'll teach 'em. :D

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__steve__ — Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:02:29 GMT

25 M free in 9.28 at 2013 RG Classic! Eric McGinnis 25 - 29 To put this into perspective, at this year's Worlds Cielo went 21.32 winning the 50 LCM free and his midrace 25m was 9.72. Here is the biomechanical breakdown the race: surface 15m 25m 35m 45m 50m Cielo, Cesar 3.92 5.28 9.72 14.28 19.08 21.32 Morozov, Vladimir 3.00 5.24 9.76 14.44 19.24 21.47 Bovell, George 2.60 5.24 9.76 14.36 19.28 21.51 Adrian, Nathan 3.64 5.32 9.92 14.52 19.36 21.60 Manaudou, Florent 4.52 5.24 9.80 14.44 19.44 21.64 Ervin, Anthony 2.56 5.60 10.04 14.60 19.40 21.65 Schoeman, Roland 4.40 5.16 9.72 14.56 19.60 21.85 Bousquet, Frederick 4.76 5.32 9.92 14.64 19.68 21.93 This is as pure as sprinting gets in swimming, I believe it should be recognized as an event. Current 2013 SCM USMS Times for Men Ages 18-104 So what is the fastest legitimate 25M swim ever recorded?

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__steve__ — Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:51:12 GMT

This is cool - Biondi vs Jager, again? Old school everything yet very, very fast. Found this on Fort's blog www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/.../32771.asp

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__steve__ — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 05:49:49 GMT

hi there, how much are sprinters slower compared to distance swimmers (for me, everything above 200m :) ) at the beginning of the season when training basic aerobic workout. I am currently in a group like this and its quite frustrating not to keep up with them thanksHaven't discovered if it's from laziness, genetics, or if I'm genetically lazy, but I'm progressively slower than distance people in events from 50 and up. The only thing I'm not much slower than distance swimmers in is perhaps the 25, but I haven't done this one yet.:outtahere:

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Former Member — Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:16:10 GMT

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Allen Stark — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 11:24:31 GMT

After I touch in my split, when completing the remaining event on that wall can I push off (double touch) or do I need to start from the dig? Touch with your hand to finish that length.Hang on to the wall for as long as you need to,then push off and finish the race. I did a 100 split in a 200 BR at my last meet and a friend asked why I hung on to the wall so long after the 100 and I said" because I was tired".(He knew I was doing the 100 split,he just thought I'd swim through it.)

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__steve__ — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 10:12:52 GMT

After I touch in my split, when completing the remaining event on that wall can I push off (double touch) or do I need to start from the dig?

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__steve__ — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 09:56:19 GMT

Thank you for the specifics, that's exactly what I needed. Makes perfect sense to let adjacent competitors know my plan so I wont distract them

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Allen Stark — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 09:40:31 GMT

What is the method for requesting a split of a greater distance event ? I understand it must be submitted in writing to the referee, but is that it? The way it works in practice is,when you get to the meet go to the Clerk of the Course.Ask them for the request for split form.Fill it out and hand it to them. Then it is a good idea to tell the others in your heat what you are going to do.

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__steve__ — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 09:34:57 GMT

Thank you Rob. Was trying to view the pdf's on my phone which made it difficult. Anyhow, thinking of writing 50 requests for the 100, 200, and 400 frees at my states SCM event in Cola. The reason why is because I get faster with successive all-out attempts when practicing and furthermore screw up something. Definately not the 1500 though, don't want to delay the meet - lol

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Former Member — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:24:55 GMT

All this talk of splits represents too much talk about distance events in the sprint free lane.

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Former Member — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:46:03 GMT

What is the method for requesting a split of a greater distance event ? I understand it must be submitted in writing to the referee, but is that it? Ah yes, the 50 free with a 450 cooldown. The perfect way to get those weird distance people all upset about their own inadequecies. :applaud:

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That Guy — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:50:03 GMT

Thanks That, MS 2.7.2 just states that it needs to be in writing to ref beforehand, thats it ? Page142 is altitude adjust table I meant 143

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Former Member — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:29:51 GMT

Perhaps he knew he had it bagged and didn't wan't to push since he already has the record. Not taking a breath on the first stroke of the 50 is "pushing" it ? In a serious 50 free race, there's no room at all to NOT push it. There is no time for rest. No extra padding for purposeful mistakes.

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__steve__ — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:59:01 GMT

All this talk of splits represents too much talk about distance events in the sprint free lane.I would enter a 500 if it gave me a second opportunity to get a PB in a 50, even if it means I must swim nonstop for an entire 7 minutes without a Jacuzzi break.

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Rob Copeland — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:04:32 GMT

MS 2.7.2 just states that it needs to be in writing to ref beforehand, thats it ? No. See 103.18.1(B), 105.2.2 and 105.3.6 in www.usms.org/.../part1.pdf

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__steve__ — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 09:59:33 GMT

Thanks That, MS 2.7.2 just states that it needs to be in writing to ref beforehand, thats it ? Page142 is altitude adjust table

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That Guy — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 09:48:00 GMT

What is the method for requesting a split of a greater distance event ? I understand it must be submitted in writing to the referee, but is that it? Page 143 of the Rule Book www.usms.org/.../appb.pdf

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__steve__ — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:40:29 GMT

What is the method for requesting a split of a greater distance event ? I understand it must be submitted in writing to the referee, but is that it?

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__steve__ — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 07:03:56 GMT

Perhaps he knew he had it bagged and didn't wan't to push since he already has the record. I did a test and the breath costs me 0.1 - 0.2 when taken at breakout for 25m. I'll have to do another test to see how much a midswim breath hurts me, figure how many for each course I need to optimize my time then decide from there. What I REALLY need to work on before anything is my streamline into the water and off wall (if any). Those are killing me. Unfortunately I can't hold my hands classic style, locked in a stacked fashion because the angle it places on my trick shoulder. I have to lock my thumbs holding my hands side by side which is OK, but many times the hands dig in or out and ruin the swim. Eventually I'll get a surgeon to fix.

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Former Member — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 06:30:59 GMT

but it worked for him since he has the WR ...Which likely could've been set faster without taking a breath on the breakout.

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__steve__ — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 10:17:26 GMT

At 3:29 it appears Maksym Veraksa (on right) took a breath on first stroke (and possibly another near 35M) for S12 50M final. Not defending the method, but it worked for him since he has the WR and I thought it was interesting. 2012 London Paralympic Games - 50 Freestyle - YouTube

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ande — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:52:47 GMT

Does anyone sneak a breath on first stroke at breakout from the block? I tried it yesterday and found it doesn't really slow me down compared to my breakout without breathing. When I breakout, I pop up high enough to take a full breath, and it seems to be a waste not to take advantage of it, even if it seems early. in a 50? in a 100? this is the SPRINT FREESTYLE LANE not the demented D dude dungeon It's a BAD idea to breathe on your first stroke off the dive. It's not necessary and it's an error that will add time to your possible best time. Have a breathing plan for your 50's & 100, you don't need any to many breaths in a 50 Have a breath plan or breathing zones. 0 breath, as you dive in and after you touch 1 breath, breathe around 40 meters done 10 to go 2 breaths, breathe around 25 meters and 40 meters 3 breaths, 20, 30, 40 Experiment: Do several free fierce fast 15 meter sprints for time one with no breath followed by a few minutes REST then another breathing on your 1st stroke Repeat several times see if a pattern emerges What's the difference? I believe the diff will be one two or a few tenths slower than no breath