NCAA Times Post Tech Suit Ban?

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Former Member — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:07:09 GMT

I tried to convince both Speedo and Blueseventy to make a jammer for masters that was cut to allow it to be worn up to the waist. For masters men this would compress a lot of love handle giggling. I knew the look would take some getting used to (boxing trunks? matador pants?) but I do think they'd be efffective. I even pitched a name: "the record waister". No one was impressed. Oh well. Do you think the jammer style is a reflection of the current *low rise* fashion? Everything (jeans and pants) seems to be low rise these days for both men and women.

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knelson — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:12:30 GMT

Yeah, I don't get it. Didn't Whitney Houston say "crack is whack!" I assume she was talking about low-rise pants. :)

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Calvin S — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:48:29 GMT

I'm sorry to hear that. I hate all this jockeying between conferences; it is always driven by football and/or basketball -- that is, by money -- and sports like swimming get shafted. Davidson and CoC are both great schools. yeah swimming has always been looking for its niche conference at both of those schools. both are int he SoCon for some sports, but the SoCon doesnt have swimming, hence our joining the CAA. they have since formed their own new conference, the CCSA: Coastal Collegiate Swimming Association. i always thought the CAA didnt have ENOUGH swimmers participating in it either, so the decision to remove teams based on over crowding always baffled me.

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jim thornton — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:47:25 GMT

I even pitched a name: "the record waister". No one was impressed. Oh well. I am very, very impressed. You, sir, are an amateur fashion merchandising phenome. Have you tried pitching this to J. Peterman? If Elaine Bettus still works there, I think she might just go for it.

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Former Member — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:14:53 GMT

It surprises me that male swimmers aren't maximizing body coverage, at the texas state championships most boys wore their jammers 6 to 8 inches below their belly buttons. It's really a suit maker design flaw, they should provide more fabric. This is exactly right. The rise of the jammer suits is very low, so if you get a jammer big enough to pull up that high, you'll probably be very loose in the waist and the legs.

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Chris Stevenson — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:07:04 GMT

I even pitched a name: "the record waister". No one was impressed. Oh well. I think "The Urkel" would have been a more appropriate name. I'm not sure such suits would be faster, but if they were, it would be an interesting test. Would I be willing to endure the undying ridicule that my wife would heap upon me in the quest for greater speed? I'm pretty sure the answer is no...at least the tech suits LOOKED kind of cool, whatever you thought of them.

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Rich Abrahams — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 05:31:45 GMT

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Calvin S — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:26:36 GMT

From a swimming perspective, it wasn't a good move: the CAA was a stronger swimming conference at the time (I don't know about now, I haven't kept up). And there is the distance thing: I don't think UR swims ANY conference "rivals" in meets until they see them at A10s. I know the conference has shrunk again. I swam for Davidson College. along with College of Charleston, we were the more recent newcomers to the CAA. but after my senior year in 07, the CAA decided the swim conference was too large and kicked us and CofC out. off topic from the OP, but i saw the discussion about my old conference and had to chime in.

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Chris Stevenson — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 02:41:04 GMT

I know the conference has shrunk again. I swam for Davidson College. along with College of Charleston, we were the more recent newcomers to the CAA. but after my senior year in 07, the CAA decided the swim conference was too large and kicked us and CofC out. I'm sorry to hear that. I hate all this jockeying between conferences; it is always driven by football and/or basketball -- that is, by money -- and sports like swimming get shafted. Davidson and CoC are both great schools.

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Former Member — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:34:03 GMT

ME ME ME! I have a good stomach. In fact, I will change my avatar for you Jim. When hubby took this pic of me, he named the file "Ab monster." :bitching: I like your choice of avatar. I too have my best feature prominently displayed as my avatar.

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Former Member — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:25:11 GMT

True. But when posters start discussing their own personal height, weight, swimming goals and training patterns, I take that to mean anything goes. It is a suit thread, so your assumption was correct, anything goes.

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jim thornton — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 10:08:44 GMT

What are they going to do, pull them up to their ribs? :cane: It appears you may have missed this: New Legal Suit Technology for Men!"]New Legal Suit Technology for Men! forums.usms.org/blog.php

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Chris Stevenson — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 09:58:29 GMT

I too have my best feature prominently displayed as my avatar. Me too. But I think the camera adds 10 lbs.

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ourswimmer — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:39:31 GMT

It surprises me that male swimmers aren't maximizing body coverage, at the texas state championships most boys wore their jammers 6 to 8 inches below their belly buttons. It's really a suit maker design flaw, they should provide more fabric. What are they going to do, pull them up to their ribs? :cane:

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The Fortress — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:21:03 GMT

Chris, I am amazed that you are a college professor and so evidently lacking in a background in the Classics. Plus, you swam for the Greek Olympic team! For this alone, you should be up on your archetypal myths. And of these myths, none is more powerful than the myth of Oedipus Jim, who was conceived 9 years before his mother was born, implanted into her womb by genetic engineers when she reached the age of 14, giving birth to Oedipus Jim, who was 21 or 22 at the time, weighed 164 lb., and had to be delivered, for obvious reasons, by Caesarian. (Another very, very famous Greek poet renowned for his salad making, Chris. You really need to learn this stuff.) The gods took Oedipus away from his mother, and sent her to a fat farm not because of weight so much as the exhausted elastic skin collagen of her abdominal regions. Anyhow, Oedipus Jim and his best friend Narcissus were looking in a pond, and Narcissus saw his own reflection and could just not look away and fell in and drowned. Oedipus Jim realized that there was nothing necessarily wrong with falling in love with yourself, as long as you were careful about it. Thus he took up swimming, determined to avoid the same fate for himself. When he met his mother much later, he didn't realize she was his mother. He thought she was just some hot chick. He invited her to race in swimming and barely beat her in freestyle, his best event. She had this elaborate suit on, so he wanted one, and for a while, the Gods allowed it. With the elaborate suit, he was able to beat the hot chick even worse! Then the God Capricius, seemingly out of the blue, decided to outlaw the suit for men, but not for women, and Leslie started beating Oedipus Jim easily and regularly. Finally, he couldn't stand it and ripped off Leslie's suit, exposing a still hideously stretched out abdomen from having a boychild years earlier that weighed 164 lb. at the time of his birth (and has subsequently ballooned up to 178.) Anyhow, this is when Oedipus Jim had an epinephrine and realized this was not some random fast hot chick after all, but his MOTHER! He instantly decapitated her with her monofin. Then he plucked his eyes out, hoping to block the sight of that exposed abdomen. The gods would not allow it. The same God who was responsible for restoring Prometheus's liver from its nightly disembowelment by harpies brought back Oedipus Jim's eyes in the form of fiber optic athroscopic cameras and turned coverted the rest of his body into a canula, which is now used worldwide by liposcuctionists to remove the abdominal fat from wealthy women everywhere. All Eternity poking and prodding in fat, unable to blink or turn away: the fate of Oedipus Jim, and all because of a swimming suit... This is what passes for a Happy Ending in Greek Classics. Chris, again, I am surprised you didn't know any of this, which is, in point of fact, the real reason for this thread. That's just a lovely Greek myth, son. I guess it was better to lobotomize me rather than forcing me to endure life with a hideously flabby abdomen and FINA mandated sausage legs. I would like to re-vivify the rumor that Big Noodler and the Fortress are one and the same poster now.

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Former Member — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:38:21 GMT

Are we making the assumption that the top masters swimmers can also improve at the rate of the top NCAA, USA-S and age group swimmers? Just curious on this one. . .

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Former Member — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:08:53 GMT

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Former Member — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:14:43 GMT

My god! Those thighs are hideous! Just joking. That is an amazing picture, BigNoodler. What is the red line, though, where the clothing begins? Does the term "Viccies" mean anything to you. As in, "She was wearing her 'viccies' not her 'grannies.'"? You may have just inspired yet another false memory of Greek myths here... ha ha I hope this pic proves once and for all that I should not lift heavy. I mean, what on earth would happen to me then?! No clue what that means. Will ask my husband. Yeah, I did have some Vickie's (Victoria's Secret) on. Pink striped actually.

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Former Member — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:35:43 GMT

The power I have over women! Magnificent! Thanks, BigNoodler, and sorry that I had to, for spaces purposes, edit down your quote to the most important gist. BTW Jim, it will be posted in a couple more minutes but I tell you - I think I WILL get kicked off the board for it. It's inappropriate for reasons that will be self explanatory. Sorry guys and girls. And yes, I continue to lift like a girl even though this torso shot looks like a man. Ugh. Jim, do you suspect we are a bit off the topic here?

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Former Member — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:31:31 GMT

If boobs were not an issue, how many of you women would want to parade your guts in front of a leering world! ME ME ME! I have a good stomach. In fact, I will change my avatar for you Jim. When hubby took this pic of me, he named the file "Ab monster." :bitching: Instead, Fina has conspired against me while creating a suit that covers my abs and gives me sausage thighs, a flat, wide butt, and a flat(er) chest. :frustrated:

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Former Member — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:27:34 GMT

But you're forgetting the most important dirty word all the purists use to describe tech suits -- rubber, rubber, rubber. That's more important than knee to ankle coverage. Women hate knee skins because they make us look fat and are extremely uncomfy on the thighs. I'm sure the thinner swimmers will be less effected than those that could lose a few pounds. I don't really hear much whining about the loss of tech suits from kids. I think masters (and definitely me) whine more b/c we've been wearing them longer and, in some cases (me, Ande, Mike Ross, etc.) every meet. So true!!!!!! Hubby will not be allowed to attend any more meets post the ban b/c he would otherwise mistake me for the Michelan man. :bitching: Agree with you on the kid thing. The kids are amazing. No one in my group cared about the suit change. No one discussed it. They are still all dropping tons of time. A lot of the kids *just swim.* When I ask them questions about a skill, they often say, "I don't know. I just do it." I continue to learn from them - including those ultra tough 14 year olds. :)

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Chris Stevenson — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:54:27 GMT

I did the 1650 at Carnegie Mellon U. today and posed the question to the assistant coach. He said that it's hard to compare, especially for the guys, who get a little stronger and faster each year just from growth and more training experience under the belt. Based on how the UR women swam, it seemed clear to me that some were about as fast (or faster) than last year with the suits (they wore LZRs), while some were slower. One person in particular, who is fast but is a little heavyset, was significantly slower this year; I remember wondering before the meet whether she would be in for a disappointing meet. But without broad, systematic studies it is v hard to draw firm conclusions, to see if (or how far) the suit effect rises above the uncertainty. Some people have bad season-ending meets and in the past you'd shrug your shoulders and say s/he missed his/her taper. Now you have this extra factor.

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jim thornton — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:46:07 GMT

I did the 1650 at Carnegie Mellon U. today and posed the question to the assistant coach. He said that it's hard to compare, especially for the guys, who get a little stronger and faster each year just from growth and more training experience under the belt. With this as the backdrop, he said he thought the loss of the suits seems to affect the longer distance events more than the shorter ones. It will be interesting to see what happens as more data filters in and the smoke clears. Ahelee, I have the utmost respect for you. But I don't know if it's possible to train in a way that simulates body suits...athleticism and buoyancy, it seems to me , are contradictory, at least if you go by the old chestnut that muscle sinks and fat floats. Going by this old chestnut, I have little problem with buoyancy per se. I have a decided problem with the jiggling of my buoyancy all over the place, and my lack of athleticism! When you get hold of the "Ahelee's Revolutionary Training Techniques for Simulating Jaked Suits with Naked Flesh," I will be one of the first in line to buy a copy!

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Chris Stevenson — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:44:48 GMT

The conference championships I followed were ACCs (for my alma mater) and A10s (since I know some of the UR swimmers). Men ACCs: www.theacc.com/.../ Women ACCs: www.theacc.com/.../ A-10s (combined): www.star-meets.org/.../index.htm I don't have any time to do a systematic study, but an effect didn't jump out at me for most people. I would expect the men to be more affected than the women, but I'm not sure that's the case. In some cases, because of conference records and the like, you can directly compare without hunting up last year's results. For example, in the ACCs: Men's 200 back: Andy Hodgson went 1:42.13 this year, 1:41.14 last year Men's 400 IM: Gal Nevo went 3:40.47 this year, 3:39.33 last year. Mens' 100 fly: Tommy Wyher went 45.57 this year, 46.21 last year. Men's 100 back: Tommy Wyher went 46.08 this year, 46.41 last year. Men's 100 free: Scot Robison went 42.42 this year, 42.89 last year. Hardly apocalyptic changes. I'm guessing these people aren't going to be quitting swimming anytime soon because they are so discouraged by their poor performances. But maybe the short sprint frees are most affected. I seem to remember there were a lot of people under 20.0 last year; this year there were only 3.

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Former Member — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:44:16 GMT

Well, the question of the OP was about NCAA times, not masters. Most will find out about the latter soon enough. True. But when posters start discussing their own personal height, weight, swimming goals and training patterns, I take that to mean anything goes.