2010: What To Do With the World Records

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Chris Stevenson — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:08:25 GMT

"Modifications that manufacturers made to recover some of the lost distance, by increasing tail drag (using holes, rough paint or dimples), were outlawed at the end of 1991 and marks made using implements with such modifications removed from the record books. Seppo Räty had achieved a world record of 96.96 meters in 1991 with such a design, but this record was nullified." I don't really care what they do with the swimming WRs. Breaking them lost almost all meaning in the past two years. I suppose I have a slight preference for doing nothing (ie letting them stand). I think the perspectives of the current elites should be the most important one to heed. I believe -- but am not certain -- that they have a financial incentive to break WRs so I am sympathetic if they want to reverse course. Then again, presumably people made out pretty well over the last two years. I doubt anyone returned any money because they were wearing a faster suit than the previous WR-holder.

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aquaFeisty — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:37:01 GMT

Fine, if we're going to be totally absurd, let Track and Field dictate swimming's rules. But then we'd better be allowed 3 people per event at the Olympics too... :bitching: The records should stand.

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aquageek — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:00:10 GMT

Why stop with letting USA Track and Field dictate rules on swimming records, let's follow their stellar lead in drug testing and enforcement. Maybe Marion Jones and Ben Johnson could be president and vice president of FINA.

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__steve__ — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:45:37 GMT

At least they didn't start DQing javalin throwers because they threw them too far. But someone could have gotten speared. Suits, although I couldn't even understand what you folks have to go through, at least it would be interesting to see what events, distances, and styles were at an advantage with the suits by comparing last years records to 2010 records. It's only one year older for the swimmer so the accuracy is there, and I think it could be usefull data to see specific areas where the suits helped and didn't help. Hopefully styles didn't change in accordance to the suits too much. Best of luck, but I'm sure ya'll will kickass without the suits too.

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aquageek — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:28:28 GMT

So I guess all that's left is to wait for the river of tears to run dry. Apparently that is going to take awhile longer. :) River? What's bigger than a river? There's a run on Kleenex in S.E. Charlotte this weekend.

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Chris Stevenson — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:25:17 GMT

So, as swimmers it is incumbent upon us after we regress the sport to the 70s to also follow the lead of people who throw sticks. What's next, letting the International Tree Climbing Federation dictate our sporting rules? Only FINA could come up with something that stupid, right along with allowing speed suits until June for fear of sun spots and jelly fish attacks. In my sad eulogy to the fun suit era I ordered a flippin' Aquablade jammer today. Woo hoo, that's progress, 80s style. So I guess all that's left is to wait for the river of tears to run dry. Apparently that is going to take awhile longer. :)

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aquageek — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:12:28 GMT

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ande — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:38:17 GMT

An olympian friend of mine said in the late 80's world class Javelin throwers were starting to throw the javelins out of the field so the track & field ruling body required javelins to shift the counter balance weight more toward the nose causing them to dive sooner & not fly as far

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Former Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:15:51 GMT

What to do with the REAL WORLD RECORDS? start over, go back as far as necessary to records that were set by swimmers wearing suits that would be legal according to current rules The current world records are the REAL WORLD RECORDS. That is so much bulls#!$ to say that they aren't. The records were established under the rules governing the sport at that time. Is there any other sport that has gone back in time to change their record books just because the current rulers don't like how the records were established? The records should stay. Legally set. Legally swam. Legal competitions. Legal drug testing that was passed. What a crock to want to set our sport back in time.

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orca1946 — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:19:37 GMT

Will other sports pull back on the high tech stuff they use ? I don't think so !!

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ande — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:56:35 GMT

What to do with the REAL WORLD RECORDS? start over, go back as far as necessary to records that were set by swimmers wearing suits that would be legal according to current rules "What to do with Masters records?" Nothing, there's plenty of younger faster swimmers who are capable of breaking records set by swimmers who wore tech suits

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jeffsab — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:51:37 GMT

Does anyone know what Track and Field did with the javelin records when they changed the javelins so they didn't fly as far? en.wikipedia.org/.../Javelin_throw

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Allen Stark — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:42:31 GMT

Does anyone know what Track and Field did with the javelin records when they changed the javelins so they didn't fly as far?

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Former Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:04:39 GMT

. To dismiss their records (which has already occurred) diminishes the effort they put forth. . Their records haven't been dismissed. Records are suppose to be broken. We may not remember their exact times but they will be addressed as "former world record holder" I can't tell you want Adolph Kiefer, Johnny W., John Naber, Murray Stephens times were when they set the records, but the history books will show at somepoint they held a world record in their respective events. There should be one set of records.

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Former Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:33:16 GMT

My sympathies are with the swimmers who trained hard (often for years) and abided with the rules allowing tech suits, resulting in a world record swim. To delete their records would be to diminish the effort they put forth. My sympathies are also with the swimmers who trained hard (often for years) and abided with the rules, prior to the advent of tech suits, resulting in a world record swim that was erased by someone in a tech suit. To dismiss their records (which has already occurred) diminishes the effort they put forth. Both records (i.e., records with tech suits and those without) should stand together until a world record time without a tech suit surpasses the world record time with a tech suit. It will happen, possibly within the coming decade.

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jeffsab — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:27:11 GMT

Acknowledge the feat, set the rules, dry the tears and swim on. And eventually, break all the tech-suit records. It's not like record progression is going to stop now that the suits are banned.

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Frank Thompson — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:50:32 GMT

Records are going to stay right where they are now according to the FINA Bureau that is meeting in Bangkok, Thailand. Soon we should hear about the fate of the tech suits for masters swimming around the world. www.swimnews.com/.../7402

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aquageek — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:55:40 GMT

What to do with the REAL WORLD RECORDS? start over, go back as far as necessary to records that were set by swimmers wearing suits that would be legal according to current rules. I have to say this has to be the crack talking. So, anytime a sport changes equipment rules we have to go back to records set with the new updated equipment rules? The records were set in legal suits, move on and get over it. You can't retrofit a sport because you don't like the outcome(s) of your inaction. I personally think all the squawking and whining about this topic does more damage to the records and the sport than any suit ever did. Acknowledge the feat, set the rules, dry the tears and swim on.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:21:20 GMT

What to do with the REAL WORLD RECORDS? start over, go back as far as necessary to records that were set by swimmers wearing suits that would be legal according to current rules NO WAY. You want to erase Thorpe's records? Hackett's (the only one still standing after the 'tech suit era' I believe was set in a bodysuit) The current world records are the REAL WORLD RECORDS. That is so much bulls#!$ to say that they aren't. The records were established under the rules governing the sport at that time. Is there any other sport that has gone back in time to change their record books just because the current rulers don't like how the records were established? The records should stay. Legally set. Legally swam. Legal competitions. Legal drug testing that was passed. What a crock to want to set our sport back in time. RIGHT ON! I'm starting a write-in campaign for "Wookie for FINA President!"

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no200fly — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:29:24 GMT

Maybe there should be plethora of new world records: pre/post goggles pre/post modern backstroke turn pre/post limit on sdk in backstroke pre/post dolphin kick on breaststroke pre/post tech suits or any combination thereof. FINA could go back and establish a number of current record holders from days gone by when changes in stroke or technology changed the sport. Events could then be held where a swimmer could declare his/her intention to be governed by one or more of the old rules and set a new world record in the “no goggle, unlimited backstroke sdk, pre tech suit 400IM.” By the way – don’t cut off those tech suits yet, there is still the Blue Seventy Texas Shootout at the Republic of Texas World Championship to compete in – regardless of what those FINA guys come up with. www.damswim.com/meets.htm

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Former Member — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:05:20 GMT

start over

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Former Member — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:00:47 GMT

Records are records. Let them stand. If someone wishes to beat a time in an unauthorized suit I say, "Go man go". It just won't count. If it's legal do it. Of course that doesn't apply to bankers, brokers, lawyers, and friends.

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__steve__ — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:25:12 GMT

Have a seperate pro-modified class opened to anyone wants to have a chance at tech suit era records

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Allen Stark — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:42:08 GMT

Records made under the conditions and rules in place at a particular point in time are historical records. Asterisks, notes, or whatever alongside those legally swum records are meaningless. They are self-serving tools that allow people to attempt to justify why their own names are not in the books. We should all get on with being the best swimmer we can be within the confines of the sporting rules to which we must submit, while we learn from the mistakes of history and try to prevent them from being repeated. Agreed.Biederman's breaking Thorpe's record by .01 sec in a tech suit doesn't make him a better swimmer,but it is still the fastest anyone swam under legal conditions.

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Redbird Alum — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:19:27 GMT