I need some input from freestyle lap or competitive swimmers

RE: I need some input from freestyle lap or competitive swimmers

Former Member — Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:00:52 GMT

I think the formula works for me, but the only correction is that I need to consider 10x100 as the best average, which I guess I should be able to make on 1.01 in yards no problem. from the formula we get 48.4 Here are my recent performances: my best SCM 53.80 (three weeks ago) converts to 0:48.20 in SCY (I never swam yards competitively before) Now you just need to figure such formula for all strokes/all races (50, 100...) and you will be a geniuos :bow: all what you EVER need to do to know you personal bests is to cruise 10x100 on 2min :D

RE: I need some input from freestyle lap or competitive swimmers

Former Member — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:31:51 GMT

Is that the case? Anybody out there cruising at 1:35 who can swim 100 yards in 57 seconds? I swim this set regularly and have only just recently started to be able to cruise it at about 1:33 to 1:35. I haven't been competing, so I don't know what my current 100 yard time is, but I am SURE that I could not go under a minute at this point. However, this thread is making me think it's time for me to start racing so I can find out what I can do. I've been chicken up to now.

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Former Member — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:01:54 GMT

I have done 10x100y free @1:30 (holding 1:20-1:24) and have done 10x100@1:25 barely making intervals. Did some warmups swimming 1000y splitting 1:30s. Best 100y free off the blocks at the time was 1:09.high . If I did 10x100 Free @ 3:00 I could hold about 1:12 (push start) but that was lactate tolerance, not cruising. I don't have lifetime best times nor current times for 10x100@2:00 nor a race pace 100, just where I swam as a 37-year-old.

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Former Member — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:15:25 GMT

Yeah, I think the definition of cruise is going to throw this whole thing out of whack. I think of my cruise as being around 1:32 per hundred for a set on a base interval of 1:45 per hundred. If I did them on 2:00 I would naturally swim them faster/slightly aneorbocially and come in between 1:20 - 1:25 (otherwise I would just be loafing). So the better swimmers would have a base interval of 1:30, 1:15, etc. Using just my cruise and race time (93, 63) and two other data points that I thought answered the question similarly, I get y = .974x - 25.17. NotsoFast, I gave you credit for a 1:15, I wouldn't be surprised if you could do even better with a dive and a race. I can't break 1:10 in practice but my 100 time is 1:03.

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rtodd — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:36:53 GMT

I think you are getting some people quoting best average for their 10x100's not "a little over cruise". For me "a little of cruise" is 1:20-1:25's, but I could probably squeak out 1:12-1:15's for best average on 2:00.

RE: I need some input from freestyle lap or competitive swimmers

Former Member — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:29:43 GMT

anybody going a 1:35 should be able to swim a 100 in a minute, not 57 seconds mmmm....if you can cruise 100's on 1:35, you should be able to swim a minute or even faster without much trouble.

RE: I need some input from freestyle lap or competitive swimmers

Former Member — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:24:15 GMT

anybody going a 1:35 should be able to swim a 100 in a minute, not 57 seconds

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Former Member — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:57:29 GMT

And to the OP: please, "ur" is not a word. Try telling that to people who do a lot of texting.

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Former Member — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:55:49 GMT

No, it implies that anyone who can hold their cruise pace under 1:35 (95 seconds) should be able to swim a 100 under 1:00 (60 seconds). Is that the case? Anybody out there cruising at 1:35 who can swim 100 yards in 57 seconds?

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Former Member — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:20:57 GMT

anybody going a 1:35 should be able to swim a 100 in a minute, not 57 seconds Thanks for correcting my math. Is there anyone out there who cruises at 1:35 on 2 minutes? If so, how fast is your 100 all out? I'm genuinely curious. I'm not that fast. Today I swam 16 x 100 on 1:42 with 10 second rest intervals - made it with no problem, no pain. My heart rate at the end was probably 110 or so. Surely I could go faster with an extra eight seconds rest, but let's forget about that for a moment. Now the formula we're working with doesn't really handle that speed (it projects a 59, I think), but I think the concept is that I should be able to swim 100 yards in close to a minute. My best is 1:20 (off a push, not a dive.) I fit a simple regression to the times given in this thread, and it looks like if you take the cruise time, multiply it by 2/3, then add six, you get a reasonable fit. (Begin nerd talk.) I think a linear fit is much more reasonable than a parabola, which assumes that people will get faster as their cruise time gets slower - once they post slower passed 1:35. That's an important consideration when you are trying to model lap swimmers; most of the lap swimmers I see go about 2 minutes per hundred or more. A log-linear curve might work even better and makes sense intuitively as human speed tends to improve asymptotically. (End nerd talk.) Using my dinky formula, I should be swimming 1:14 or so. That's sounds pretty close, especially if you figure I'd be 2-3 seconds faster off a dive. It's a little tricky, because I think different people define cruise differently. You have one person cruising on 80 seconds who has swum 53 and another cruising 67 who has swum 54. All in all, I think it's an interesting exercise. I'm curious what you'll find when you add more data points.

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Former Member — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:27:06 GMT

Current 100 free time scy - 49.8 10x100 cruise pace for scy - 1:05 to 1:10ish maybe faster. 2:00 is a lot of rest I usually train scm and can hold 100s at 1:15 on a 1:40 interval all day.

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funkyfish — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:39:49 GMT

Do most people kick a different pattern between cruise and 100 all out? I'm sure I do. My kick is almost non-existent when cruising, but I work it hard for a sprint (15-100yds). I did the 10x100 free set today out of curiosity. I averaged 1:15 per 100. Currently my best 100yd free is :52xx.

RE: I need some input from freestyle lap or competitive swimmers

Former Member — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:31:13 GMT

Just wanted to see what my cruise pace should be according to your formula. 10 x ( -squareroot( 53.43 - 60 ) + 9.5 ) Awesome, it is an imaginary number. That corresponds nicely with my imaginary hard work.

RE: I need some input from freestyle lap or competitive swimmers

Former Member — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:27:08 GMT

Cruise Pace: 1:20 Race Pace: 53.43 y=-((.1x-9.5)^squared)+60 x = 80 .1x-9.5 = -1.5 -1.5^2=2.25 -2.25+60 = 57.75 Even if you claim my pace faster than warm up, but not much is 1:15, the error in your formula is pretty far off. Neat exercise.

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__steve__ — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:50:58 GMT

Do most people kick a different pattern between cruise and 100 all out?

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orca1946 — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:52:48 GMT

100's on the two with scy @ 107 age 62

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ande — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:45:07 GMT

1) best 100 free time in yards or meters short course ever: 44.7 in 1985 recent: 48.8 scy 54.6 scm 2) what time do you hold on about 10 x 100 frees at cruising pace (a little faster than warm up pace but not much), on an interval of around 2:00 (plenty of rest). on the 100s u should be feeling good, no pain Depends: what suit I wear & if these are from a dive or a push off probably: 1:01 to 1:07

RE: I need some input from freestyle lap or competitive swimmers

Former Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:07:31 GMT

based on the info from this forum, and a couple of others, i was able to create a some what accurate function, where (x,y) = (cruise pace in yards for 100free, race pace in yards for 100free). this is pretty accurate....except when u go above 100 seconds for warm up pace, and down to 30 seconds for warm up pace(but come on...that's barely imaginable)...the interval for this graph is between 0 and 60 here is the function (drum role please): y=-((.1x-9.5)^squared)+60 I'm having trouble reading your formula. I think the first term (everything to the left of the plus sign) is always

RE: I need some input from freestyle lap or competitive swimmers

Former Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:15:24 GMT

100 SCY = 54.00 i'd consider a 2:00/ 100yd interval to be a speed set and would try to keep them around 1:00 (fast with lots of rest) otherwise, i'd try to hold my SPL to 11 or 12 and hit 1:10's

RE: I need some input from freestyle lap or competitive swimmers

Former Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:14:36 GMT

yes im cooking up something big ;D based on the info from this forum, and a couple of others, i was able to create a some what accurate function, where (x,y) = (cruise pace in yards for 100free, race pace in yards for 100free). this is pretty accurate....except when u go above 100 seconds for warm up pace, and down to 30 seconds for warm up pace(but come on...that's barely imaginable)...the interval for this graph is between 0 and 60 here is the function (drum role please): y=-((.1x-9.5)^squared)+60 if u have a ti-84 u can use that to graph, if not, all u have to do is plug in ur warm up pace in yards for x, and solve for y...easy as pie... tell me what u guys think!! (btw the only way this works is if u actually know ur warm up pace....generally ur warm up pace or cruise pace is just a bit slower than ur T-30 pace....aka a pace that doesn't hurt, but feels good)

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knelson — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:50:46 GMT

I'm having trouble reading your formula. I think the first term (everything to the left of the plus sign) is always "ur" is not a word.

RE: I need some input from freestyle lap or competitive swimmers

Former Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:01:48 GMT

Haven't really done a 100 free yards yet, but 59.62 SCM For 10 x 100 on 2:00 I would probably go 1:07-1:08 going 80-85% effort.

RE: I need some input from freestyle lap or competitive swimmers

Former Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:52:31 GMT

ok so first can you tell me ur best 100 free time in yards or meters short course. Best time to date in yards is 0:52. secondly, what time do you hold on about 10x100 frees at cruising pace (a little faster than warm up pace but not much), on an interval of around 2:00 (plenty of rest). on the 100s u should be feeling good, no pain. If I understand this, 10 x 100s free on the 2:00? If so, I guess 1:02-1:05. Fast, but not all-out practice sprinting. for example, my best 100 free time in short course yards is 59 seconds, and i hold 1:34's on 100 frees on 2:00 in a 25 meter pool. My times are in yards. What are you planning on doing with this information? Are you cooking up something big?

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SLOmmafan — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:10:32 GMT

My recent "best time" in SCY is a mid-52. I generally try and hold 1:12-1:14 SCY 100's if doing multiple in a set.

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rtodd — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:27:02 GMT

57 SCY all out. Cruise (a bit above warm up pace) 1:20-1:25's for 10x100 SCY on 2:00.