Of suits and sexism

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Former Member — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:20:41 GMT

Definitely not, but I don't think it is about southern culture either. Well, it's about one Southern culture. As you know, there is no "Southern culture". There are Southern cultures.

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elise526 — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:26:01 GMT

I think by that you mean a "proper" Southern Xmas party, no? I don't believe that song is about that sort of party. ;) Definitely not, but I don't think it is about southern culture either. Redneck culture, yes. I feel it my duty to dispel folks of the myth that the South is nothing but a bunch of rednecks. I lived in the D.C. area for most of my youth, and learned that most people from there, unfortunately, think redneck culture is the only culture that exists in the South. I'd hate for our non-southern friends to come all the way to Atlanta and be disappointed when they don't see the type displayed in the video walking around near Georgia Tech. If we sent them just a few miles over towards Buckhead, why they might think they had been abducted by aliens and taken out of the South. Back to the suits - if I wasn't such a big fan of Chris S., I would tell everybody to just boycott the suit ban and swim in the suits anyway. If everybody felt strongly about it, we could all get DQed together. So, if somebody does decide to swim in the suit and doesn't care if they get DQed, will they be permitted to swim in the suit for the rest of the meet? In other words, they are allowed to swim, but the time won't count. I guess this could be like the time I swam on a team with three guys. There were only four of us and we really wanted to do a relay. They let us do one in the men's relay event, but we got DQed.

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Former Member — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:29:38 GMT

A good Southern Christmas party would have the fine china and silver on display. I think by that you mean a "proper" Southern Xmas party, no? I don't believe that song is about that sort of party. ;)

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jim thornton — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:09:02 GMT

I was starting to think my original concept here--allowing men to wear women's speed suits post FINA ban--had been hijacked by our southern friends intent on reliving the War of Southern Bone-Headedness, which they lost, and rightly so. However, I see now that the Great Circle of Life has not been hijacked at all, just taken for a logical spin. For the new FINA rulings that ban men like me from wearing the same suits that Leslie gets to wear is almost certainly going to go down in history as a reigniting of that age-old conflict, its name changed only slightly to the War of FINA Bone-Headedness, which I do hope they will lose again, and rightly so. Virgil, quick come see--there goes the Robert E. Lee. But only time will tell. Is anyone else sick? My head is spinning, and when I tilt my noggin side to side, I can hear little electrical noises sputtering inside. Like the very distant zapping of a night bug in one of those insect electrocution devices. Does anyone else have this symptom, and if so, do you know what is causing it and what can make it go away? --Your clammily sweating chilled northern aggressor friend, Jim

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elise526 — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:27:40 GMT

I have to disagree on the sleeveless t-shirt as the wifebeater is the state shirt of Florida, although Florida really isn't a Southern State. I have to agree on having serving items that survived The War of Northern Aggression. My Mother and Aunt claim a preserve stand was "buried from the Yankees" during the war in my Great Grandmother's back yard, and therefore is some family heirloom. This, of course, causes all the kids and cousins to hoot with laughter. I guess eventually this ugly glass stand will be mine and I will continue the myth to annoy future generations. I guess the sleeveless undershirt is symbolic of redneck culture, but as my husband reminds me, redneck culture certainly is not unique to the South. One of my husband's favorite shows is "Trailer Park Boys," a t.v. show about Canadian rednecks. Stories about surviving the War are definitely unique to the South. Why even Jim has a story about it.

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aquageek — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:41:35 GMT

Definitely not a typical Southern family in that video. Southern men do not wear sleeveless t-shirts and those women don't have on the requisite amount of make-up and hairspray (aquageek and wookiee - Correct me if I am wrong.). Plus, it is snowing which is a rarity in the South. A good Southern Christmas party would have the fine china and silver on display. Of course the china would have to be the china that survived Sherman's March through Georgia or Grant's shelling of Vicksburg. I have to disagree on the sleeveless t-shirt as the wifebeater is the state shirt of Florida, although Florida really isn't a Southern State. I have to agree on having serving items that survived The War of Northern Aggression. My Mother and Aunt claim a preserve stand was "buried from the Yankees" during the war in my Great Grandmother's back yard, and therefore is some family heirloom. This, of course, causes all the kids and cousins to hoot with laughter. I guess eventually this ugly glass stand will be mine and I will continue the myth to annoy future generations.

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elise526 — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:26:47 GMT

You want southern culture in a Christmas song? Here ya go . . . YouTube- Robert Earl Keene's Merry Christmas from the Family Definitely not a typical Southern family in that video. Southern men do not wear sleeveless t-shirts and those women don't have on the requisite amount of make-up and hairspray (aquageek and wookiee - Correct me if I am wrong.). Plus, it is snowing which is a rarity in the South. A good Southern Christmas party would have the fine china and silver on display. Of course the china would have to be the china that survived Sherman's March through Georgia or Grant's shelling of Vicksburg. I think I went to a party like the one in the video somewhere in West Virginia. wookiee - I missed that during the game. I saw Mt. Cody getting the gatorade ready, but didn't see anything after that. Think some will get dumped on the Alabama sideline in California? On the suit issue, I'll have to research this, but I don't think reverse discrimination claims fare too well in the Deep South. The only time one might be successful is if the female who has won out over the male is a young, very attractive 20-something year old and the jury is made up of a bunch of plain-looking matrons.

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Former Member — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:46:38 GMT

You want southern culture in a Christmas song? Here ya go . . . Hey! How'd that boy sneak into my family's Christmas party?

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jim thornton — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:49:58 GMT

Not quite sure how we got from men wearing women's suits to the peculiarities of Southern culture, but since we have arrived here, I invite you to enjoy "Virgil, quick come here, there goes the Robert E. Lee" and the rest of this great song... YouTube- The Band - The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down

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Former Member — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:24:58 GMT

No no no, Jim. With the notable exception of Levon, all the members of The Band were Canucks and Yankees. You want Southern culture in song? Here you go.... YouTube- Johnny Russell "Rednecks White Socks and Blue Ribbon Beer"

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BillS — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:51:51 GMT

You want southern culture in a Christmas song? Here ya go . . . YouTube- Robert Earl Keene's Merry Christmas from the Family

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Former Member — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:35:46 GMT

All in good fun! Admittedly, Alabama fans can be a little tough on the opponent after a game. I wish the fans would stop singing that obnoxious, "Rammer Jammer" after the game. At least the team shows humility. I thought it pretty cool that the QB took a knee with 1:20 left in the game when Alabama was inside the Florida 20. Some teams probably could not have resisted trying to score another TD. I don't think UT is overrated. Alabama will need to play as well against them as they did against Florida to win. Now that the regular football season is over, guess many of us will now be even more focused on the suit issue. I'm eagerly awaiting the decision from FINA to see if I can get one race out of my B-70. Did you see Rolando Mclean(sp?) knocking the water bottles and gatorade jugs out of Mt. Cody and some of the other players right before they were to splash Saban? On the video, you can hear him telling the others players "this is not what our season is about!" While I am not a supporter of alabama, I do admire him for staying focused on the national championship game and taking the leadership to keep his teammates focused. They won't have any easy time with the devo's and that donkey.

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Former Member — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:15:45 GMT

Jokes aside, the team that impresses me the most from either school is the UNC women's soccer team. They may be the most dominant team in any college sport. There was an interesting interview with Anson Dorrance that touched on some of the differences in coaching male and female athletes (at one point he coached both men's and women's soccer at Carolina). Sorry for the thread hijack... Sorry for continuing this hijacking, but I think I will have to disagree with your statement as the most dominant team in any college sport. Im thinking either Kenyon's men and women swimming teams or Indian River Junior College...If were going any sport in college. While UNC has won 20 of the 27 NCAA championships, I think Kenyon's 29 straight Mens NCAA Championships is pretty good. Indian River while its a JR college still brings in some amazing swimmers and just cleans house at NJCAA championships, still impressive none the less.

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aquageek — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:22:19 GMT

While I can't go against my 'Heels, I do have to agree with Kenyon and Indian River. I swim with two Indian River guys and they are seriously fast. Kenyon's records is stupefying, to say the least.

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Former Member — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:02:06 GMT

Who do you like in the Stetson v. Emory game?

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aquageek — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:37:51 GMT

Let's not ignore from consideration Wookie's two straight months without a bath, impressive, sort of.

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Chris Stevenson — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:34:34 GMT

Sorry for continuing this hijacking, but I think I will have to disagree with your statement as the most dominant team in any college sport. Im thinking either Kenyon's men and women swimming teams or Indian River Junior College...If were going any sport in college. While UNC has won 20 of the 27 NCAA championships, I think Kenyon's 29 straight Mens NCAA Championships is pretty good. Indian River while its a JR college still brings in some amazing swimmers and just cleans house at NJCAA championships, still impressive none the less. True, I suppose I was thinking of D-1 collegiate sports. Iowa in men's wrestling is up there too over the past 30 years or so. I am sure there are others.

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aquageek — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:19:35 GMT

Chris - don't fret the UK loss. UK hired a thug coach who will have them on probation in just a matter of years, with a graduation rate in the single digits to boot.

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elise526 — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:51:12 GMT

Bama fans must like kicking people when they are down: Saturday was one for the books for me as a sports fan. All three of "my" college teams lost (all three are -- or were -- defending national champions, by the way): -- UF beat down badly by Alabama, which honestly has little affect on me (I didn't form as strong an attachment for my grad school teams, for whatever reason) -- UNC held off by UK (much more of an affect, compounded by the fact that I despise Calipari and think UK fans have little class; but it is still early in the season) -- U of Richmond lost a heartbreaker to App State in the quarterfinals of the FCS playoffs (probably affected me the most since I've had some of these students in my classes) Best of luck to Alabama; it seems fairly obvious to me that the SEC game was once again the true national championship, so I hope that you don't blow it against overrated UT.:) All in good fun! Admittedly, Alabama fans can be a little tough on the opponent after a game. I wish the fans would stop singing that obnoxious, "Rammer Jammer" after the game. At least the team shows humility. I thought it pretty cool that the QB took a knee with 1:20 left in the game when Alabama was inside the Florida 20. Some teams probably could not have resisted trying to score another TD. I don't think UT is overrated. Alabama will need to play as well against them as they did against Florida to win. Now that the regular football season is over, guess many of us will now be even more focused on the suit issue. I'm eagerly awaiting the decision from FINA to see if I can get one race out of my B-70.

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Chris Stevenson — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:19:21 GMT

Crunch, crunch. Roll Tide! All is well in Alabama. We are all very happy now and have gotten so fat we won't we able to fit into our suits for the next meet. It wouldn't be fittin' if the Elephant was from a state with skinny folks. We're looking forward to taking our fat selves out to California to watch the National Championship. Bama fans must like kicking people when they are down: Saturday was one for the books for me as a sports fan. All three of "my" college teams lost (all three are -- or were -- defending national champions, by the way): -- UF beat down badly by Alabama, which honestly has little effect on me (I didn't form as strong an attachment for my grad school teams, for whatever reason) -- UNC held off by UK (much more of an effect, compounded by the fact that I despise Calipari and think UK fans have little class; but it is still early in the season) -- U of Richmond lost a heartbreaker to App State in the quarterfinals of the FCS playoffs (probably affected me the most since I've had some of these students in my classes) Best of luck to Alabama; it seems fairly obvious to me that the SEC game was once again the true national championship, so I hope that you don't blow it against overrated UT.:)

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elise526 — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:10:13 GMT

Chomp, chomp. As a UF alum I will obviously cheer for them to win the national -- er, I mean SEC -- championship. But whoever the SEC champ is I'll be rooting for them to trounce Mack Brown. I would much rather live in Florida than Alabama. Well, maybe not in Orlando. Or anywhere south of I-4. Crunch, crunch. Roll Tide! All is well in Alabama. We are all very happy now and have gotten so fat we won't we able to fit into our suits for the next meet. It wouldn't be fittin' if the Elephant was from a state with skinny folks. We're looking forward to taking our fat selves out to California to watch the National Championship.

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Former Member — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:31:04 GMT

I have two friends who are dook/Heels couple. They can't watch the games together, it's bad. I don't know how you do that. Chris wants to be able to sleep in his bed and not the couch.

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Former Member — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:30:01 GMT

Living with a Dawg I am obligated to hate the Gators. Oh, and D2 - you are creepy. I am obligated to to support your statements...both of them.

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Former Member — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:13:37 GMT

Hey Sharpsburger You are a boxer bigot. I don’t understand what your problem is. Don’t we have enough prejudice and discrimination in society without creating more senseless taboos like men wearing short shorts or briefs? I realize I'm going waaayyy out on a limb with this incendiary comment, but there have been many studies that indicate that men who are offended by gay men (and anything that they perceive as being purportedly gay) are in fact uncomfortable with their own sexuality and their dislike of men wearing short shorts is just a form of homophobia. If this is not the case, then just what exactly is the rational for this illusory taboo? With regard to your comment about why any male over 14 would wear briefs, it’s because they feel the best in the water and I personally hate the “swimming in a washing machine” sensation from wearing boardies or anything else with more coverage. Furthermore, unless someone’s wearing goggles or a diving mask, ther’re not going to see anything below the water line anyway. And if someone’s opposed to me wearing short shorts or swimming briefs and has the colossal gawl to make the comment “Hey dude put on some ******* clothes!”, my response will be to promptly tell him “Hey dude, catch a ******* express elevator to Hell!!!”. :censor: :censor: :censor: D2 Oh, sorry, I didn't mean brief-style suits. I was referring only to undergarments. Brief-style suits don't bother me at all. They seem a little out-of-date nowadays, but nothing more than that. And I find your comments regarding sexual preference rather puzzling. I've never associated a style of swim suit or underwear with sexual orientation. The notion seems rather bizarre. Besides, you don't even know what my orientation is. I freely admit that my objection to "tightie-whities" is irrational. Well, partly. To me, they're quite uncomfortable. As for the short-shorts in the gym, again, that's got nothing to do with who anybody does or doesn't sleep with. Call me prudish or old-fashioned, but I don't care to see anybody's sweaty underdrawers in the gym. There are also women who come in with outfits that are unnecessarily revealing, and I don't like those, either. It's a matter of decorum in a public place. Ditto for the young guys sporting t-shirts with the sleeves and sides ripped out so that there's a gaping hole between the neck and bottom hem. You just gotta kind of chuckle at the vanity of that. And even though I might think "Put on some clothes", I'm not going to say anything unless someone's actually flashing people. Wearing short-shorts that show off your BVDs may be tacky (and I firmly consider it to be tacky) but I have no standing to tell someone else not to do it.

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Former Member — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:00:38 GMT

Ok, I gotta say, there's this fellow who goes to my gym who comes in wearing those iddy-biddy little short shorts, and when he gets on the crunch machine, let me tell you, it clears the room. No one wants to look at his junk, even if it's tucked into tightie whities. I was having lunch in my favorite taqueria a few weeks ago when they had an ESPN classic basketball game on the tube, a college game from the '80s, and all I could think was, "Dudes, put on some ******* clothes!" (Ymmv.) Personally, I'm all for the trend away from briefs for men. Whenever I see a guy changing out and he's got the briefs on I wonder if I'm back in the middle school locker room. Call me a boxer bigot, but I can't understand why any male over the age of 14 still wears briefs. Hey Sharpsburger You are a boxer bigot. I don’t understand what your problem is. Don’t we have enough prejudice and discrimination in society without creating more senseless taboos like men wearing short shorts or briefs? I realize I'm going waaayyy out on a limb with this incendiary comment, but there have been many studies that indicate that men who are offended by gay men (and anything that they perceive as being purportedly gay) are in fact uncomfortable with their own sexuality and their dislike of men wearing short shorts is just a form of homophobia. If this is not the case, then just what exactly is the rational for this illusory taboo? With regard to your comment about why any male over 14 would wear briefs, it’s because they feel the best in the water and I personally hate the “swimming in a washing machine” sensation of wearing boardies or anything else with more coverage. Furthermore, unless someone’s wearing goggles or a diving mask, ther’re not going to see anything below the water line anyway. And if someone’s opposed to me wearing short shorts or swimming briefs and has the colossal gawl to make the comment “Hey dude put on some ******* clothes!”, my response will be to promptly tell him “Hey dude, catch a ******* express elevator to Hell!!!”. :censor: :censor: :censor: D2