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Former Member — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:51:46 GMT

When I was a kid we had meets in 20 yard pools. They actually kept records and top five lists for that sort of thing. And we didn't let the extra turns keep us from being slow. My first club team was the Burbank YMCA and it was a 20 yard pool. Maybe that is why I am a "turner not a swimmer". You want to hear old: My high school pool: Burbank High, had a 100' pool. 33 1/3 yards. Maybe that is why i don't like long course.

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Ahelee Sue Osborn — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:23:41 GMT

When I was a kid we had meets in 20 yard pools. They actually kept records and top five lists for that sort of thing. And we didn't let the extra turns keep us from being slow. Mike - HOW OLD ARE YOU??? Ha Ha - my age group team also had some groups training in the dive pool which was 20 yards. I only liked it because it was warm water in the winter and I was skinny.

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Former Member — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:38:21 GMT

My first club team was the Burbank YMCA and it was a 20 yard pool. Maybe that is why I am a "turner not a swimmer". You want to hear old: My high school pool: Burbank High, had a 100' pool. 33 1/3 yards. Maybe that is why i don't like long course. In the spring a lot of kids swam in the YMCA League. Dual meets every week with a championship meet at the end. I swam at Burbank Y many times. Most of the Y pools were 20yards. But the downtown 28th Street Y was 15 yards! I swam for the Norwalk-La Mirada YMCA --- which didn't exist other than having a swim team.

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Former Member — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:13:14 GMT

When I was a kid we had meets in 20 yard pools. They actually kept records and top five lists for that sort of thing. And we didn't let the extra turns keep us from being slow.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:00:05 GMT

Have not swum a SCM meet yet this season. And have only trained SC yards since Indy. Swear... I can not feel the difference between SCY and SCM when I'm racing! I couldn't agree more. An extra stroke or so, but they're not fundamentally different courses like SCM/SCY vs. LCM. However, I kind of like the 3 season approach to masters that seems to be evolving of SCM fall, SCY spring and LCM summer ... especially since I keep mostly skipping that summer season that requires you to get in truly good shape and not just rely upon those nice walls and long pushoffs.

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:42:58 GMT

We waste too much time in the year swimming yards in the USA. I think that any new pool built should be built in at least SCM. New 25 yard only construction should be outlawed. . . ." When I was a kid, high school sprinters all aimed for Jesse Owens long standing 100 yard dash record (I think it was 9.4 sec.), but now they run 100 meters. Of course it's much easier to change the finish line for a track meet than the length of a pool but it does go to the point that we can adapt to a new record book.

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:12:26 GMT

I like LCM and SCM. Having never competed in either before masters, its a clean slate for me. I prefer to skip the SCY season altogether or just swim off events.

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:47:45 GMT

Seriously Mike... If you are yawning over internationally recognized world records, then what do you think the entire world is doing when the United States is swimming short course yards all spring? No one has a clue what "yards times" are except American swimmers. It really is a comedy... Even worse is that we can't even have a decent conversation about holding a short course meters national championships because we do not have enough SCM pools in the USA to accomodate one! I am incredibly excited and proud of my friends Ande Rasmussen, Richard Burns, Michael Mann, and Laura Val (to name a few) who all broke internationally recognized SCM World Records this weekend. And I happen to know that many masters swimmers around the world are taking notice of these American swimmer's accomplishments. SCY are way more fun and exciting than LCM...

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TRYM_Swimmer — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:51:56 GMT

SCY is for turners,LCM is for SWIMMERS. You're so right, Allen! Reminds me of working out with kids in the mid-70's. There was one high school Breaststroker with whom I would work out long course, swimming the same intervals. But his 100 SCY was 7 seconds faster than mine! I think he won a Div II championship in the 100, but was nowhere in the 200. He once deliberately false-started so he would be DQ'd from a 200.

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Allen Stark — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:38:59 GMT

SCY are way more fun and exciting than LCM... SCY is for turners,LCM is for SWIMMERS.

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tjrpatt — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:33:04 GMT

I like LCM and SCM. Having never competed in either before masters, its a clean slate for me. I prefer to skip the SCY season altogether or just swim off events. That is the one good thing about SCM. You are pretty much doing Personal Best because the only place I did SCM was Summer League Meets. There was no 1500, 400 IM or 200 fly in Summer League meets.

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:28:13 GMT

Need to walk the talk... Long Beach. Sheez. Being a dad and watching my kids swim the same weekend is the talk I'd rather walk.

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:58:01 GMT

I prefer, in order, LC, SCY, SCM. SCM is a problem since I can't train at that distance. In the past, SCM was where you could score a top time due to lack of facilities and meets. It seems that other much faster swimmers have found my ploy. Alas.

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tjrpatt — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:48:44 GMT

SCM to the USA is about the same interest level as rugby for most people...sadly USMS has not moved to embrace the format by designating a Championship meet....but maybe some day! Go back a few years and if you have a chance to talk to anyone who swam or attended NCAA's the one time it was held SCM you will here a different opinion...for those that want to measure themselves against the rest of the world that is what "fall/early spring" swimming is all about. At least USMS puts some emphasis on SCM, USA Swimming, in my opinion, seems to be just SCY and LCM. I love the LCM part. But, there really should be a USA Swimming SCM Champs. The Champs in Dec is SCY.

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:34:24 GMT

Practice your turns and you won't feel so intimidated at SCY swim meets MMMMMM....I have seen Allen turn. His breastroke turns are faster and better than 99% of the people out there. He is fine there. I agree with him. LCM...even SCM are way better than scy.

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Former Member — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:32:57 GMT

SCY is for turners,LCM is for SWIMMERS. Practice your turns and you won't feel so intimidated at SCY swim meets

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Paul Smith — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:11:58 GMT

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Ahelee Sue Osborn — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:32:37 GMT

I prefer, in order, LC, SCY, SCM. SCM is a problem since I can't train at that distance. I just returned home from the Ron Johnson Invitational Meet at ASU. Have not swum a SCM meet yet this season. And have only trained SC yards since Indy. Swear... I can not feel the difference between SCY and SCM when I'm racing! Don't try to accuse me of being in super shape either because thats' not it.

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Allen Stark — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:46:58 GMT

MMMMMM....I have seen Allen turn. His breastroke turns are faster and better than 99% of the people out there. He is fine there. I agree with him. LCM...even SCM are way better than scy. Thanks,but unfortunately that 1% includes Bob Strand.I do work on my turns all the time,but I really love LCM!!:banana::banana:

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tjrpatt — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:10:18 GMT

It is a shame that we can't have yard pool burnings or something. Physically, it can't be done due to the environment damage. Maybe some figurative burnings or something.

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Ahelee Sue Osborn — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:58:45 GMT

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Ahelee Sue Osborn — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:57:36 GMT

I like LCM and SCM. Having never competed in either before masters, its a clean slate for me. I prefer to skip the SCY season altogether or just swim off events. Need to walk the talk... Long Beach.

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Former Member — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:57:33 GMT

U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums Your point is well taken. If I ever held a scm world record it's status would be stratospheric!!!! But that won't be happening because my suit is too slow.:bolt:

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chowmi — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:37:30 GMT

My apologies in advance for the possible mis-interpretation of the above post. NOT poking at Maui Mike, just a play on the yawn.

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chowmi — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:36:09 GMT

Do you hold or have you held any? If so, maybe a yawn for you. It depends! Believe what you want! It is my opinion is that any swim that was or is a world record in any event individul or relay, any age group, is prestigous. You have to find your own meaning in the records. It is quite something to set a goal and go out and actually DO IT!!!! That goes for USMS SCY National records, too.