2009 Duel in the Pool

RE: 2009 Duel in the Pool

Former Member — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:32:46 GMT

According to the commentary in the US federation will not recognise records set in non-2010 compliant suits at this meet. This means that American swimmers are setting World but not American records at this meet! Two main things have become apparent during session 1: The depth of American swimming is far greater than in Europe. Phelps is not at his fastest (although he gave yet another lesson in how to finish and win a fly race) but there are so many swimmers able to step up to the mark. The Americans are better at starting and, in particular, turning (all strokes) and consequently better at short course racing. This is remarkable because there are so few long course pools in the UK, you'd think we would be pretty well sorted on turns. Hope to see the US team back over here between now and the London Olympics.

RE: 2009 Duel in the Pool

BillS — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:26:43 GMT

If you can look past the suit rhetoric (which is very tiresome), Lord has a decent recap that's easier to deal with than the Omega website with all that clicking. www.swimnews.com/.../7374 After today: USA 89, E-Stars 33 Glad I'm not the only one annoyed by Omega's interface. I'm sure they could have factored in a way to squeeze one more click out of us for the privilege of simply viewing finals results, but at the moment I'm at a loss to figure out how.

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Gdavis — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:06:11 GMT

Are any of the US swimmers wearing tech suits? As Chris S noted in his post above, Craig Lord is covering the event closely. Given CL's hatred of the tech suits, he is noting which athletes are wearing "shiny" ie tech, suits. www.swimnews.com/.../7378

RE: 2009 Duel in the Pool

ced357 — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:54:02 GMT

Are any of the US swimmers wearing tech suits?

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Former Member — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:01:44 GMT

Wasn't the Tyr Titan (or something with a similar name) an impermeable suit? I was at a USA-S meet in the spring and could have sworn I saw a college kid wearing a Tyr suit that was similar in nature to B70 and the like. I should have said, "No shiny suit that was approved to ever be worn." Since remember how TYR got screwed by being banned when the Jaked and X-Glide were OK'd

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Former Member — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:46:06 GMT

A.Kukors signed with TYR, who has no suit. Actually Tyr has 4... Tyr A7, Titan, Tracer Rise RBT and Sayonara (tri suit).

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Gdavis — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:41:43 GMT

I think this demonstrates how important NCAA swimming competition is for the US advantage. It keeps many more swimmers in competition at the elite level into their 20s than in most other countries and breeds short course and racing skills. No surprise that so many non-US swimmers choose to progress their careers in the US.

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Former Member — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:45:02 GMT

I think it's funny in little posts where people like Ariana Kukors and Katie Hoff are getting some credit for taking supposed "moral highground" by wearing 2010 compliant suits. A.Kukors signed with TYR, who has no suit. I doubt she is not wearing the "old-new" suits by choice, she is doing it to keep her paycheck. Smart move. K.Hoff didn't have a great meet in a LZR at World Trials, so there's no benefit for her to wear it again. If she wore it and lost, people would throw out nonsense that "she's done" when, in reality, she appears to be doing quite fine.

RE: 2009 Duel in the Pool

ande — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:43:14 GMT

Women's 100m Breaststroke 1 5 SONI Rebecca USA 0.71 (2) 30.08 1:02.70 WR Men's 50m Freestyle 1 1 ADRIAN Nathan USA 0.72 20.71 5 AM Women's 200m Individual Medley 1 3 SMIT Julia USA 0.70 (1) 27.22 (1)31.38 58.60 (1) 35.94 1:34.54 30.06 2:04.60 5 WR Women's 4x100m Freestyle 1 3 USA United States of America 3:28.89 7 AM FRANKLIN Missy 0.74 25.07 52.78 (2) 52.78 MAGNUSON Christine 0.28 24.63 51.82 (2) 1:44.60 WEIR Amanda 0.19 25.49 53.31 (2) 2:37.91 VOLLMER Dana 0.06 24.32 50.98 (1) 3:28.89 2 4 EUR E Stars 3:29.90 Men's 4x100m Freestyle States of America 3:03.30 7 WR ADRIAN Nathan 0.69 21.45 45.08A (1) 45.08 GREVERS Matt 0.15 20.71 44.68 (1) 1:29.76 WEBERGALE Garrett 0.31 22.40 47.43 (1) 2:17.19 PHELPS Michael 0.20 22.30 46.11 (1) 3:03.30

RE: 2009 Duel in the Pool

Chris Stevenson — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:35:22 GMT

TYR, who has no suit Wasn't the Tyr Titan (or something with a similar name) an impermeable suit? I was at a USA-S meet in the spring and could have sworn I saw a college kid wearing a Tyr suit that was similar in nature to B70 and the like.

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Chris Stevenson — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:36:10 GMT

2nd day: www.swimnews.com/.../7378 Final score: USA 185; E-Stars 78 Grevers sure had a good meet, didn't he?

RE: 2009 Duel in the Pool

ande — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:37:14 GMT

starts at 7:00 line to RESULTS

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Former Member — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:02:06 GMT

and they say we can't swim SCM!:applaud: Surprising to see Piersol in 3rd in the 200 back.

RE: 2009 Duel in the Pool

Chris Stevenson — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:42:13 GMT

Wait, so they could wear the "super suits" for this meet? The new suit rules don't go into effect until Jan 1 for FINA meets. USA-S and NCAA swimming decided to jump the gun, presumably so the whole season would be done in one type of suit.

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Midas — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:36:21 GMT

RE: 2009 Duel in the Pool

Gdavis — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:09:56 GMT

Phelp's times are not very impressive (for him). Even though short course is not his strong point, he seems un-rested? He's not wearing a super suit. Fran Halsall (who made a breakthrough at the Rome meet in the 100) is one to watch for the future. Victories in 100 Fly and 100 Free

RE: 2009 Duel in the Pool

ced357 — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:48:56 GMT

Phelp's times are not very impressive (for him). Even though short course is not his strong point, he seems un-rested?

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Chris Stevenson — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:40:16 GMT

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ande — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:30:41 GMT

womens 4 x 100 medley relay 1 3 USA United States of America 3:47.97 7 WR HOELZER Margaret 0.62 27.44 57.47 (2) 57.47 HARDY Jessica 0.14 29.20 1:03.58 (1) 2:01.05 VOLLMER Dana 0.18 25.15 54.37 (1) 2:55.42 WEIR Amanda 0.20 25.08 52.55 (1) 3:47.97 Men's 4x100m Medley Relay States of America 3:20.71 7 WR THOMAN Nick 23.37 48.94 W (1) 48.94 GANGLOFF Mark 0.31 26.18 57.03 (1) 1:45.97 PHELPS Michael 0.39 23.29 49.93 (1) 2:35.90 ADRIAN Nathan 0.33 21.18 44.81 (1) 3:20.71 Women's 400m Individual Medley 1 1 SMIT Julia USA 0.73 4:21.04 5 WR 28.39 32.21 1:00.60 33.33 1:33.93 32.08 2:06.01 36.65 2:42.66 36.76 3:19.42 31.16 3:50.58 30.46 Men's 100m Freestyle 1 1 ADRIAN Nathan USA 0.72 (1) 22.09 45.42 AR Women's 200m Breaststroke 1 3 SONI Rebecca USA 0.71 (1) 31.05 (1) 1:05.18 (1) 1:40.00 2:14.57 5 WR 34.13 34.82 34.57

RE: 2009 Duel in the Pool

Gdavis — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 02:43:29 GMT

4 WRs in first 3 events!

RE: 2009 Duel in the Pool

Former Member — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:59:10 GMT

No French? No Beidermann? Hmmm... The french team's major sponsor, a gas company, had issues with the british national team's main sponsor, a british gas company being listed as a major sponsor of the event. So, the french decided not to go so that they didn't piss off their sponsor. Biedermann is supposedly racing in a meet in russia the day before, at a meet he agreed to go to before they announced the duel in the pool dates.

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Former Member — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:43:04 GMT

Where is Shanteau?:confused:

RE: 2009 Duel in the Pool

Gdavis — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:50:15 GMT

From British Swimming: STARS PREPARE FOR BRITISH GAS DUEL IN THE POOL 16 Dec 2009 The world’s greatest swimmers, including 14-time Olympic gold medallist Michael Phelps, will converge on Manchester to compete in the British Gas Duel in the Pool from 18th-19th December. hide

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Former Member — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:22:24 GMT

No French? No Beidermann? Hmmm...

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ande — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:11:57 GMT

Team USA Roster Men Nathan Adrian Mike Alexandrov Jack Brown Tyler Clary Mark Gangloff Matt Grevers Michael Klueh Chad La Tourette Sean Mahoney Tyler McGill Aaron Peirsol Michael Phelps Kevin Swander Nick Thoman Alex Vanderkaay Peter Vanderkaay Garrett Weber-Gale Women Elizabeth Beisel Missy Franklin Katy Freeman Jessica Hardy Margaret Hoelzer Katie Hoff Dagny Knutson Ariana Kukors Christine Magnuson Amber McDermott Hayley McGregory Mary DeScenza Elizabeth Pelton Allison Schmitt Julia Smit Rebecca Soni Dana Vollmer Amanda Weir E-Stars** British Competitors: David Davies James Goddard Thomas Haffield Michael Rock Liam Tancock Christopher Walker-Hebborn Robbie Renwick Rebecca Adlington Francesca Halsall Hannah Miley Elizabeth Simmonds Gemma Spofforth Caitlin McClatchey Italy Competitors: Christian Galenda Edoardo Giorgetti Filippo Magnini Luca Marin Joseph Davide Natullo Fabio Scozzoli Ilaria Bianchi Chiara Boggiatto Alessia Filippi Caterina Giacchetti Ilaria Scarcella Francesca Segat Germany Competitors: Steffen Deibler Hendrik Feldwehr Marco Koch Benjamin Starke Annika Melhorn Caroline Ruhnau Daniela Schreiber Daniela Samulski order of events December 18 400 Medley Relay – Women 400 Medley Relay – Men 400 IM – Women 400 IM – Men 100 Free – Women 100 Free – Men 200 Back – Women 200 Back – Men 200 *** – Women 200 *** – Men 100 Fly – Women 100 Fly – Men 400 Free – Women 400 Free – Men December 19 800 Free – Women 800 Free - Men 200 Free – Women 200 Free – Men 100 Back – Women 100 Back – Men 100 *** – Women 100 *** – Men 200 Fly – Women 200 Fly – Men 50 Free – Women 50 Free – Men 200 IM – Women 200 IM – Men 400 Free Relay – Women 400 Free Relay – Men Scoring in the individual events will be: 1st Place 5 points 2nd Place 3 points 3rd Place 1 point 4th Place 0 points 5th Place 0 points 6th Place 0 points Scoring in the relay events will be: 1st Place 7 points 2nd Place 0 points Tie Breaker In the case of a tie, there will be a 4 x 50 Medley Relay with two men and two women from each team on the relay. This tie-breaker relay will be worth one point. The team that wins this relay will be declared the winner of the meet.