Maximum number of meet entries?

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Former Member — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:00:59 GMT

Furnutter will get indoor plumbing and Funkness will get rid of her mini van before Jazz will ever be able to do any fitness activity for an hour straight. Let's face it, he might be able to go to class but staying active for an hour, no way. It's even less likely that Haircrapper will cut his mangy locks anytime soon. Imagine The Unabomber mated with Mary Feldman, that's your current view of Furdingle. Aquawart, I have had a major hair cut in the last week. Granted I still have more hair in my beard than you do on your entire body.

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Former Member — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:35:10 GMT

I LOVE the hangnail excuse. But to be clear, these do not constitute excuses for AquaBonkity to weasel out of his upcoming naked 200 fly. I think that should be the 5th event of the day as well. :angel: It's bad enough seeing aquaweenie's pale white body in a legskin. Is there anyway to keep him from having do it naked???? Please!!!!! That would as bad as seeing Wolf in a size 24 speedo brief....maybe worse

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aztimm — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:48:32 GMT

I'm more in the camp of doing the most allowed, but try to avoid back to back events. Typically I'd do 3-5 events a day when I did meets. At one meet I did a 50 back, more as filler between a longer break before other events I wanted to do (I didn't even know a proper back start and was scolded by the starter). I figure if I'm paying 40 bucks and giving up 1-2 days, I might as well get in some yardage while I'm at it. Note, I'm not a fast swimmer. But just about every time I did a meet it was a pb for me.

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Allen Stark — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:18:36 GMT

It seems like a classic quantity vs quality argument.If you want to swim several races or long races,good for you,not for me.FYI at one of his coaching sessions Dennis Baker said to be careful of entering too many events in one day if you want to swim fast.

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Muppet — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:51:01 GMT

I'd do a 100 back 10 minutes after a 200 fly if needed. Seriously, the 200 fly is over-rated as a killer race, especially short course where languid turns and long SDKs off each wall can make this race quite fun. I've done the reverse... 100 back then 200 fly, in back-to-back heats.

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Chris Stevenson — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:50:07 GMT

Um, that wasn't lactate intolerance. How about your other 100s fly, then? :) I love how Fort says, it wasn't lactate intolerance, it was lack of training. I don't think there is much difference. I will say that, beyond adaptations producing power, aerobic endurance, lactate tolerance, stroke efficiency, etc etc, an important aspect of training is simply to figure out the proper way to pace any event above a 50. ANYONE will die if they take out a race too hard, no matter how they train. Just to be clear: I give you a LOT of kudos for doing the 100 fly race, I just like poking fun at big targets... (interpret that however you want).

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aquageek — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:50:44 GMT

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The Fortress — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:38:44 GMT

Is there anyway to keep him from having do it naked???? Please!!!!! That would as bad as seeing Wolf in a size 24 speedo brief....maybe worse NO! And Wolfy is slimming right down with his love of meterage and job stress. Plus, I am going to try to encourage him to join us for the inaugural Jazz hot yoga class which will precipitate said 200 fly for AquaGuck.

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The Fortress — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:27:43 GMT

Um, that wasn't lactate intollerance. That was dehydration, poor nutrition, electrolyte imbalance, sunspots, gravitational fluctuations, heavy water and a hangnail. At no time was lactate a factor. I LOVE the hangnail excuse. But to be clear, these do not constitute excuses for AquaBonkity to weasel out of his upcoming naked 200 fly. I think that should be the 5th event of the day as well. :angel:

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pwolf66 — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:20:51 GMT

It may not be important for 50s (although maybe a little in LCM 50s), but for 100s you definitely need some. Ask Paul Wolf about his 100 fly at Clovis -- or better yet, look up the video -- a fine example of lactate INtolerance! :) Um, that wasn't lactate intollerance. That was dehydration, poor nutrition, electrolyte imbalance, sunspots, gravitational fluctuations, heavy water and a hangnail. At no time was lactate a factor. It was pure, 100% absolute B0NK. Thanks for reminding me. Really appreciate that. Reminds me of this: www.despair.com/mis24x30prin.html

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The Fortress — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:38:02 GMT

Yes, but, again trying to be completely serious, one of the things I've re-found in Masters' swimming is the sheer fun of racing. That's a major motivator for me to enter a lot of events. Yeah, I like to win and I like to do PBs, but I really, really have reacquainted myself with the love of racing. I know I had that as a youth when swimming, but swimming became much 'heavier' for me in my late teens and in college -- so much more pressure (whether internally or externally motivated) around achieving certain times, cuts, etc. With Masters and with open water even moreso, I have rediscovered how much I love just racing the guy (or gal) next to me ... no matter what shape I'm in or what time I'm going to go, there's almost always someone to race. That's fun for me. One of the things I've discovered in masters swimming is the absolute freedom I have to train and compete for fun. No more distance workout drudgery, no more swimming max events, no more rules against scratching, no swimming meets and events I'm not psyched for, I get to create my own workouts, use whatever toys I want, etc. When I looked at my first masters entry form and saw I could swim 50s, I was beyond thrilled. I've loved re-inventing myself as a pure sprinter after being drowned and burned out from the distance focus of the 70s. So, racing max events holds no allure for me, and is the antithesis of fun. Swimming an off event or a 200 or more events is a nice lark on occasion if the timing is right, but definitely not a goal.

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Chris Stevenson — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:12:27 GMT

It seems like a classic quantity vs quality argument. I don't think it is a zero-sum game, where you automatically degrade the quality of each additional swim. At least, that's been my experience. More important for me is usually when (what time of day) I swim. I am a morning person; if I swim in the late afternoon or -- even worse -- in the evening or at night, I will tend to go a little slower, no matter how "rested" I am.

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Karen Duggan — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:00:22 GMT

Aquawort, Furdingle! I am really enjoying this thread. You guys crack me up! :bliss:

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pwolf66 — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:07:17 GMT

How about your other 100s fly, then? :) Let me correct, lactate was the LAST factor behind a long list of other factors in that 100 Fly debacle at Clovis. Yes, me and 100 Fly. Should change my name to Dances With Lactate but Big Tree Fall Hard works too.

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:55:45 GMT

I am much more like Fort. I made a painful mistake several years at LC Zones and entered four races in one session - two 100s, a 50, and finished with the 200 IM. I learned just how long it takes me to recover. I want 30 minutes or more after just one 50. I'd like an hour after a 100. And a half day after a 200. I know from anerobic sets in practice that recovery time is critical for me to swim fast. So unless it is a gigantic meet where I will have lots of rest between my races - I will probably not enter more than 3 races. I have only raced a 200 five times in 5 years.

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:03:47 GMT

Hater. True, but you will always have a place as my suit wrench,because no one can zip/unzip like you do, if I take up the awful events of running/biking to do triathlons

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:54:13 GMT

so true... fun can't be measured in meters (its measured in miles!) What's so fun about that? Sounds awfully long and boring. But, good luck on the channel crossing. I do hope it is swift and successful for you.

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:51:54 GMT

The flip side, Fortonkness, is what could possibly be fun about swimming for 2-3 minutes per meet when there is so much more swimming readily available, for cheap to boot! Geekonstilts, shockingly, there are people that have friend who want to socialize with us at meets, so we swim faster and events that don't take all day to complete. Now, for people(using that term loosely) like yourself, that are deemed outcasts, unfit for public displays of friendliness, undesirable to sit near, that have a face like Shrek, they make longer events to engage in. Those events are prefect for the lack of humanity like yourself, so that we socially elites don't have to talk about you in front of you

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Former Member — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:47:41 GMT

If you don't need rest or want to experiment or have fun at an in season meet, knock yourself out and swim the max events. But don't expect others to want to do the same or necessarily see this as some desirable goal. :-P It's not all about the meterage ... so true... fun can't be measured in meters (its measured in miles!)

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aquageek — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:09:23 GMT

...there's almost always someone to race. That's a very small and select group of people, similar to Fort and She Puff, or She Cream or whatever moniker she goes by these days.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:59:26 GMT

Bah! I think you pain junkies have an odd view of "fun." Yes, but, again trying to be completely serious, one of the things I've re-found in Masters' swimming is the sheer fun of racing. That's a major motivator for me to enter a lot of events. Yeah, I like to win and I like to do PBs, but I really, really have reacquainted myself with the love of racing. I know I had that as a youth when swimming, but swimming became much 'heavier' for me in my late teens and in college -- so much more pressure (whether internally or externally motivated) around achieving certain times, cuts, etc. With Masters and with open water even moreso, I have rediscovered how much I love just racing the guy (or gal) next to me ... no matter what shape I'm in or what time I'm going to go, there's almost always someone to race. That's fun for me.

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aquageek — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:00:48 GMT

Now, for people(using that term loosely) like yourself, that are deemed outcasts, unfit for public displays of friendliness, undesirable to sit near, that have a face like Shrek, they make longer events to engage in. Those events are prefect for the lack of humanity like yourself, so that we socially elites don't have to talk about you in front of you Regrettably, these are all valid points, and possibly true. Hater.

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The Fortress — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:47:29 GMT

The flip side, Fortonkness, is what could possibly be fun about swimming for 2-3 minutes per meet when there is so much more swimming readily available, for cheap to boot! Well, aquadisgeek, I perfectly well enjoy watching friends swim, watching fast swimming, trash talking or hanging out with friends and teammates. That's cheap too!

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aquageek — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:31:04 GMT

Bah! I think you pain junkies have an odd view of "fun." The flip side, Fortonkness, is what could possibly be fun about swimming for 2-3 minutes per meet when there is so much more swimming readily available, for cheap to boot!

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The Fortress — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:18:43 GMT

It's not more desirable to max the events out ... but that's also an experiment to try and HAVE FUN doing. Bah! I think you pain junkies have an odd view of "fun."