When will the suits be gone...

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swim53 — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:03:49 GMT

And George also said in another post: APPROVED: Yingfa 925 female aqablade plus 937 female sharkskin neck to knee

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Former Member — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:16:03 GMT

The approved suit list grew over the last few days. Three styles of YingFa's and a bunch more YingFa's before the Jan 10th deadline. Fina is testing these Yingfa suits Male 9402 approved 9205 9102 Female 937 approved 925 approved 955 912 982 929

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orca1946 — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:05:21 GMT

Anything to read from USS swimming ? or masters?

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ande — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:33:49 GMT

this is the last comment from USMS: U.S. Masters Swimming issued a Statement on Swimsuits on 10/11/09 OK, OK, OK I broke down and bought some crack. So I wore a suit in a meters meet December 4-6. Yes, a full length long john suit from Finis. I got it for $60. . . . Ande, any word from FINA lately?

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Betsy — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:17:24 GMT

ORCA 1946 wrote: And now I read that maybe we will have the same suits for male & female ? Where did you read this?

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Former Member — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:51:35 GMT

OK, OK, OK I broke down and bought some crack. So I wore a suit in a meters meet December 4-6. Yes, a full length long john suit from Finis. I got it for $60. I dove in for warm up without a taper. I got a deep tissue massage the day before. I only swim a max of 6-7000 meters a week. I only can swim twice a week because of my demanding job. I don't know who has had this experience but I haven't swam competitively in about 11 years. The moment I dove in with that suit, I felt like I was shaved and tapered. I recognized the feeling immediately. My results also reflected the aid of this suit. I went nearly as fast as the year I swam my last masters meet sometime in 1998. I am convinced that the suit is a cheating aid. Period. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with this. Either we move forward with the suits or we go back to the good ole days of greek pickle hammocks where shaving my hairy body every year will be painful as the chest hair pokes into my shirts as it grows back in the first month after a month. I loved not having to shave my body with that suit on. That is the big plus for me and one of the reasons I like the suits. I'm partial either way in FINA's decision. I liked going that fast. I have a lot more in my tank too. I feel I can go as fast or faster than I ever have once I get used to the suit. We will see. Ande, any word from FINA lately?

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Former Member — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:51:50 GMT

Will they be waist to knee Jammers.

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orca1946 — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:44:39 GMT

And now I read that maybe we will have the same suits for male & female ?

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Former Member — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:34:15 GMT

Imagine you had gone (say) 51.0 in jammers and 49.5 with the suit. Doesn't the 2nd time make you happier, even though you knew it was tech-aided? Kind of fun to break 50 seconds, isn't it? And maybe you haven't gone that fast since (say) college. Not quite such an old fart anymore, right? And you look cooler (and thinner), too. When I was in the 55-59 age group I was swimming 2:37 for 200 fly with a full bodysuit. This was much faster than when I was 20 years old. Everything you've said, Chris, hits the nail on the head. US masters swimmers should be very careful that they are not disadvantaged in future. FINA have stipulated that the new rules concerning bodysuits do not apply to masters. Masters swimmers in Europe will have a great advantage over you guys across the pond if you make a stand and apply your own rules for wearing suits in competition.

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Rykno — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:02:46 GMT

on the latest Worlds newletter there was a little section about suits. "FINA Masters Committee has recommended the FINA Bureau that the same rules concerning competition swimsuits shall apply for Masters Swimming as it does for other FINA Swimming Events. In January 2010, the FINA Bureau will take the decision whether or not to follow the recommendation by the FINA Masters Committee."

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:00:42 GMT

Also don't totally discount peer pressure. If you go to a meet and nearly all the swimmers are wearing full-body suits it's hard not to want one for yourself. I'm sure there are many, many swimmers who uttered "I'll never wear one of those" who later ate their words! And it's not just about fitting in. People swim fast in the suits. Presumably if you're competing you want to swim as fast as possible and the suits allow you to do that. "Presumably if you're competing you want to swim as fast as possible and the suits allow you to do that" ......... and you should also strive to be the first person to get up to the red light and stop. :confused: D2

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knelson — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:41:14 GMT

and you should also strive to be the first person to get up to the red light and stop. :confused: There are no stoplights in swimming, Galen.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:20:32 GMT

I could swear I see them, right around 75 yards into my 100 fly... :applaud::applaud::applaud: I swam a hard 100 fly in practice last week for time and pulled a two breath turn at the 75.

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Former Member — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:26:37 GMT

If they take 'em away, everyone will still be swimming just as fast to the stop light to stop.Only difference is I dont have to buy a $500 suit, and the people who have them times will be a little slower now. Thats the way I see it anyway?

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mattson — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:48:29 GMT

There are no stoplights in swimming, Galen. I could swear I see them, right around 75 yards into my 100 fly...

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Former Member — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:46:08 GMT

I just cant see the money. I'm pretty gear headed myself(build my engines for my cars :blah: )and I can buy a whole lot of razor blades for $500:), or a couple high po. engine parts! Now the thinner thing, you may have somthin' there! I just figure if were racing and I beat you and I keep getting better, the times will be what they'll be. As long as I (or you, or who ever) Keeps beating up on the compitition, Who cares what suit we're in. Well, maybe not old school speedos!:afraid:

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knelson — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:59:22 GMT

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Former Member — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:19:55 GMT

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Chris Stevenson — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:55:49 GMT

So If I beat you in a Jammer and you go out and buy a $500 "tech suit" and you beat me, and I go out and buy a $500 "tech" suit and beat you back. Whats the difference? The only "winner" is the place that sold the suits. I just dont see a reason for being against the ban for that reason alone. Maybe I'm just crazy but, I cant afford that kind of suit. So does that mean I get to get my butt kicked buy guys who can, just because they can afford one? Like I said I'm just getting back into this deal and trying to understand the reasoning. Not trying to ruffle any feathers here.:^) But in the meantime you've both gone faster. Possibly youve equalled or bettered times that you did when much younger. Even though intellectually you know that the suit helped, (a) you're not sure how much and (b) it is exciting to see the faster time, regardless. Imagine you had gone (say) 51.0 in jammers and 49.5 with the suit. Doesn't the 2nd time make you happier, even though you knew it was tech-aided? Kind of fun to break 50 seconds, isn't it? And maybe you haven't gone that fast since (say) college. Not quite such an old fart anymore, right? And you look cooler (and thinner), too. At least, that's part of what I think happens. Other reasons I've heard: not having to shave (for men), and being able to swim fairly fast in-season. And some people are just gear-oriented.

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knelson — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:39:04 GMT

So what I am seeing from the people who are defending these suits are saying. It isnt the suit. No, you're wrong. No one is saying the suit isn't a factor.

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Calvin S — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:05:14 GMT

I'm just getting back into this swimming deal after a 20 year "lay off".And have been watching this suit debate because I dont want to buy something I cant use next year. So what I am seeing from the people who are defending these suits are saying. It isnt the suit. Its better training techniques that are producing these faster times. So why would you want to spend $500 on a suit that isnt faster? I'm having a hard time justifing $130 for a pair of Jammers for racing only! some of the speed IS due to the suit, the same way if you were a pair of trunks in practice and then wear a speedo in a meet you will swim faster. for me, its that i don't think its right to stifle technological advances in a sport, that and the fact that FINA is totally imcompetent when it comes to dealing with this issue. their knee-jerk reaction to send swimming back 20 years was (again my opinion) not the way to go about curbing the tech suit "arms race".

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Former Member — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:25:27 GMT

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Former Member — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:56:52 GMT

Hey folks I didn't mean to sound like a pompous ass, really, I had no intention, that's the problem with anonymous boards. I summarized at the end that I would wear one if they were legal. I also stressed that if I pulled off a 44 or 45 in the 100yd free with the suit on and then went a full second slower without it, I'd be a little difused. Look at the men's 50m free world record progression. It's quite staggering to see the effect of the new suits. # Time Name Nationality Date 1 23.86 Jonty Skinner South Africa August 14, 1976 2 23.74 Joe Bottom United States July 3, 1977 3 23.72 Ron Manganiello United States July 29, 1978 4 23.70 Klaus Steinbach West Germany July 23, 1979 5 23.66 Chris Cavanaugh United States February 2, 1980 6 23.12 Chris Cavanaugh United States April 10, 1980 7 22.96 Rowdy Gaines United States April 10, 1980 8 22.83 Bruce Stahl United States April 10, 1980 8= 22.83 Joe Bottom United States August 15, 1980 9 22.71 Joe Bottom United States August 15, 1980 10 22.54 Robin Leamy United States August 15, 1981 11 22.52 Dano Halsall Switzerland July 21, 1985 12 22.40 Tom Jager United States December 6, 1985 13 22.33 Matt Biondi United States June 26, 1986 13 22.33 Matt Biondi United States July 30, 1987 14 22.32 Tom Jager United States August 13, 1987 15 22.23 Tom Jager United States March 25, 1988 22.18 Peter Williams South Africa April 10, 1988 16 22.14 Matt Biondi United States September 24, 1988 17 22.12 Tom Jager United States August 20, 1989 18 21.98 Tom Jager United States March 24, 1990 19 21.81 Tom Jager United States March 24, 1990 20 21.64 Alexander Popov Russia June 1, 2000 21 21.56 Eamon Sullivan Australia February 17, 2008 22 21.50 Alain Bernard France March 23, 2008 23 21.41 Eamon Sullivan Australia March 27, 2008 24 21.28 Eamon Sullivan Australia March 28, 2008 25 20.94 Frédérick Bousquet France April 26, 2009 Everything is progressing normally until 1990, ten years later Popov finally breaks Jager's record, then nothing until 4 swims in the spring of 2008. I guess FINA said something had to be done to keep the sport interesting. my.02. Its no wonder swimming was so damn fast and difficult in the late 80s and 90s. The suits give everyone the edge to just simply erase those amazing years where 10-20000m a workout were the norm. I have no moral high horse, my past dictates that. I shouldn't have put out the asterisk comment, sorry. But seriously if this is considered a mistake, then it should be noted and it will be evident 50 years from now that the suits were the cause of such incredible feats.

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Former Member — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:09:52 GMT

Half of the FS Pro is actually 2 layers. This could be why FINA has not approved it yet. "FINA has also approved the Speedo® FS Pro recordbreaker, Speedo® Fastskin FSII® and Speedo® Aquablade™ suits. We are seeking further guidance from FINA to gain approval of the Speedo® FS Pro jammer and recordbreaker kneeskin." But this is what I don't get...if the fs pro recordbreaker is approved, then why would the jammer and kneeskin? Aren't they all made out of the same materials?

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Former Member — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:46:39 GMT

I know it would be fun to wear one of those suits and easily pull out a time I have no business going at 38 years old. Which suit exactly would allow you to do this?