New proposal for dealing with world records

RE: New proposal for dealing with world records

orca1946 — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:05:19 GMT

I do not see how to put records in different categories.

RE: New proposal for dealing with world records

Former Member — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:42:28 GMT

The World Swimming Coaches Association should have just proposed that FINA "TIVO" the rules for suits back to the 1970s and the Can Of Worms opened up by the introduction of "suit technology" would be sealed shut (with all the worms put back inside of course). :agree: Dolphin 2

RE: New proposal for dealing with world records

Former Member — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:47:43 GMT

Where's a good driftnet when you really need it?

RE: New proposal for dealing with world records

Former Member — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:51:53 GMT

I just received the Swimmer Magazine this morning I seems all of ads for the Rubber based suits are there. Do the swimsuit manufacturers know something that we don't???

RE: New proposal for dealing with world records

Former Member — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:14:03 GMT

I don't like the idea. Way too cumbersome. I say bring back the suits and get over it. But if they don't, then deal with the consequences: slower times. I think swimming made a mistake, but most of us will continue to swim and compete no matter what the rules.

RE: New proposal for dealing with world records

Former Member — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:08:40 GMT

Yes, and moving forward I would like the individual results database on the USMS website to be modified so that it is made clear that I am not getting older and slower, I am just wearing a different suit.

RE: New proposal for dealing with world records

Former Member — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:36:12 GMT

What happened to the simple asterisk? The logic of what they're proposing means that FINA Masters records should be reconsidered as well. Maybe they like confusion.

RE: New proposal for dealing with world records

Former Member — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:20:48 GMT

Would it not be easier to erase all records after Dec 2007 and not have the times even recorded. Or set up a new system not FINA, call it CSWR (Cheating Swimmers Wearing Rubbersuits) and record all those records from Jan 2008. Let Fina record the records once they really decide what is legal.

RE: New proposal for dealing with world records

Chris Stevenson — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:40:29 GMT

This turns the record book into a joke, IMO. Well...I think it was already a joke, but I digress. Records are nice but I think swimmers race to win. The value of an Olympic or World Championship gold medal is the same whether or not a WR was broken when it was earned. But aren't there financial incentives to breaking a WR? If so, this isn't a trivial matter.

RE: New proposal for dealing with world records

knelson — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:36:06 GMT

This quote killed me: "Coaches believed that the solution proposed by the journalists was...simple and elegant" Huh. I think it's neither.

RE: New proposal for dealing with world records

Allen Stark — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:20:20 GMT

They claim the breaststroke rule changes as precedent,but if you look up Olympic Champions in breaststroke there is no mention of stroke changes.In no list of record progression in breaststroke that I have seen is there a reference to rule change.With the 1986 breaststroke rule change and with the backstroke flip turn rule change,both of which arguable affected times more than the suits,there was no special category for pre-change records.

RE: New proposal for dealing with world records

Patrick W. Brundage — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:11:36 GMT

I think this is patently ridiculous. The world record should be the single fastest performance. There doesn't need to be all these gradations. This turns the record book into a joke, IMO. I'm with you. Do we now need lines for ... when the 15 meter was/wasn't enforced, when the touch was/wasn't required on a backstroke turn, when you had to keep your head above water on breaststroke, when rubber speed caps were introduced, etc. etc. There have been so many innovations and rule changes along the way that affected speed that it would be a very messy record book indeed. What's more sad about all of this is seeing a great guy like Phil Whitten associated with Craig Lord. :afraid:

RE: New proposal for dealing with world records

knelson — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:59:20 GMT

I think this is patently ridiculous. The world record should be the single fastest performance. There doesn't need to be all these gradations. This turns the record book into a joke, IMO.