Omega says Cavic touched first

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:02:52 GMT

How long will that guy have a job??? Or has he already bit the dust and it is his way of getting back at Omega.

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:30:43 GMT

joakimvitriol is a TROLL. His/her message count is revealing (especially considering the deceiving pictures linked). He's now resurrected this thread to continue his baiting. Pretty sad. YouTube - Pobeda Cavica na usporenom snimku

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:44:55 GMT

The above water finish was very deceptive. This video shows a different angle. Cavic glided into the pad. Phelps hammered the finish. YouTube - Phelps vs Cavic by a finger nail

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:51:14 GMT

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rtodd — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:32:36 GMT

Well said Paul, Yes, swimming is a "contact" sport. I just love the way Phelps punched it in that race. It was violent and angry. I think he left permanent marks on that touch pad.

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

pwolf66 — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:21:35 GMT

I think we can all agree that Omega timekeeper said "...so it's for sure, the video also shows it, Cavic touched the pad before Phelps...". Question is why Omega did not give us their video in 0.01 second frame by frame (like someone said before) but instead they again gave us some photos that shows nothing. What is the problem with simple truth uncovering? Have you read ANY of the previous posts in this thread or could you not be bothered to see if you were, in any way, bringing up material that had already been discussed? As for truth? Who's truth? Yours? Or the rest of the worlds? Here's some truths for you: 1) Every olympic swimmer at the 2008 games KNEW that electronic touch pads were being used. 2) Every olympic swimmer at the 2008 games KNEW that it takes a certain level of force to trigger the pad 3) Every olympic swimmer KNEW that it's not who _touches_ the wall first who wins, it's who triggers the touch pad first because the electronic timing system was what was being used to determine order of finish. 4) Unless it was determined that the electronic timing system malfunction, the results of the timing system are the official results. So anything that is revealed thru other means such as high speed cameras is completely irrelevant because the timing system worked. 5) Everyone involved at the time agreed that the electronic timing system was functioning properly. 6) Cavic glided into the finish without even taking a single kick, his body was completely motionless as he reached the finish. And he lifted his head prior to touching the wall. 7) Heck, every elite year round competitve swimmer over the age of 12 KNOWS that you NEVER glide into the finish or lift your head prior to the touch unless you want to risk getting beat. Now, exactly what truths do you disagree with? Or what truths do you think that YOU have that countermand the ones above. If you are a troll, then please go away, if you are not, please take the time to read thru this entire thread and then just let it go.

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

rtodd — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:07:49 GMT

Good video Val. As far as I'm concerned, Cavic had the chance to "clear this all up" in Rome. We know what happened. The video evidence was more conclusive. Phelps nailed the lid on this "controversy".

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

swimcat — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:15:51 GMT

:dedhorse::dedhorse::dedhorse: why are we still talking about this... did Dara yap yap when she lost by the same margin??? did rebecca soni????????? did others................... ok so who knows. maybe the touchpad was faulty. hmmmmmmm what was his excuse in Rome??????????????????//// i am not saying this b/c i am a phelpsfan

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:54:22 GMT

I know you think he was first and you feel he was cheated. But this could go on forever. Phelps has the gold medal and no matter how hard you try it will not change. Take the complaint to FINA. We cannot solve the problem here. Personally I am sure that Phelps won the race and the photos that I saw showed me that Phelps won. Phelps is not my favorite person but he is a great swimmer. Cavic is also a great swimmer. i check and the foto is probably fake,i didnt know,my mistake....but all other evidence are sugestions the cavic was first....so sorry for my bad english,i hope you spoke any language but english...

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:44:24 GMT

joakimvitriol, You are right. Your articulate and lucid explanation of the facts has finally sunk in. Your mastery of persuation through written English has so overwhelmed me, I need not be shown any further photo evidence and certainly don't need any links to outside references. It's clear to me now there was an outrageous cover up of the obvious facts. From this point on, I will tirelessly look to convince others who think Phelps touched first. Thanks again. i check and the foto is probably fake,i didnt know,my mistake....but all other evidence are sugestions the cavic was first....so sorry for my bad english,i hope you spoke any language but english...

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

gobears — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:11:31 GMT

joakimvitriol is a TROLL. His/her message count is revealing (especially considering the deceiving pictures linked). He's now resurrected this thread to continue his baiting. Pretty sad.

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

That Guy — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:37:48 GMT

How long will that guy have a job??? Or has he already bit the dust and it is his way of getting back at Omega. Please don't drag me into this, I don't work for Omega.

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:59:31 GMT

If Omega said Cavic won their timming devices should not be used they are very unreliable.

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:25:40 GMT

Yeah, I thought they were both shots from prelims, but you're probably right. The top shot is from finals and mirrored (and that's why the Speedo logo is on the wrong side) so that Phelps and Cavic appear in the correct lanes to correspond to the bottom shot, which is a shot from their prelim race where Cavic did win. hahahahahaahahah......this is the good one..

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:22:41 GMT

No we are all not blind - I would check the order on those in photo bucket as it would be easy to take the pictures out of order and show a different result, because the SI photos and other sources show a much different picture - while extremely close. First the SI photos show Phelps on the left and Cavic on the right also the sequence is odd in the photo bucket and its Phelps, not Felps. Plus Phelps wore a black cap, in the photobucket he appears to be wearing a white cap. if you are not blind then you shourly have ear problem,omega(the official sponsor of phelps) says cavic touched first

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:18:07 GMT

Then how come Phelps got the Gold medal??? Me sticking up for Phelps that seems strange. easily,he steal and cheat...

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:51:02 GMT

There was no evidence of a Fukuoka-style large scale system irregularity in Beijing, and I suspect after that fiasco that FINA does have some very solid protocols in place to ensure the integrity of the system.

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:47:15 GMT

What constitutes clear evidence that the timing system malfunctioned? Does anyone here feel that IF THE TIMES WERE REVERSED, that the photos would have been CLEAR evidence that timing system malfunctioned? (That is, do the photos show clearly enough that Phelps touched first such that if the pads had said Cavic one by 0.01, the timing system should have been overruled.) I think most people would believe it would be evidence, but I think most people may also believe it may not be clear enough. In the Olympics or the Olympic trials, I felt the images from the TV showed two other relative finishes that should have been called differently. I would have to go back and review the races to try to find them. But, if we saw a pattern of questionable calls, how would that affect your confidence of the timing system? (I'm not sure I was right in my impression, but I felt one was pretty clear while the other could have been a Phelps-Cavic type finish.) Most races are not decided by the 100th of a second where you can see both pads at the same time. It is rare to get a race in which you could distinguish a small difference between one pad and another. 99.99% of the time, one pad *could* measure 0.02 seconds slower than another and we'd never notice. (It seems unlikely that this would be the case, but then I don't know the design well enough.) Does each touch pad undergo a test before each big meet to make sure it is functioning properly and promptly responds to the right pressure, across many points across its surface? I assume pads eventually fail. How often do pads fail such tests? I'll also point out that with perfect equipment, Phelps could have triggered the pad anywhere from less than 0.001 to more than 0.019 before Cavic and yet have a time recorded as 0.01 seconds faster. Conceivably, if both swimmers were each 0.001 seconds faster (or slower), they would have registered the same time (ie, a tie) or the difference might have registered as 0.02. It all depends upon whether the 0.01 tick (or two) comes between their touches or not.

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:44:14 GMT

rtodd :bouncing::bouncing: I don't want rain on you parade :badday::badday::badday::badday:

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

knelson — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:39:58 GMT

hahahahahaahahah......this is the good one.. Dude, your so-called evidence was debunked in about ten seconds. Maybe you should just give it up.

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

knelson — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:55:23 GMT

dude,this is not my evidence,this is just opinion the official sponsor of phelps -omega......what are you dont understand about it You're incorrect. It's just what one man who works for Omega said. In my opinion the electronic timing and photographic evidence is far, far more compelling and these point to Phelps touching first.

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:27:27 GMT

Dude, your so-called evidence was debunked in about ten seconds. Maybe you should just give it up. dude,this is not my evidence,this is just opinion the official sponsor of phelps -omega......what are you dont understand about it

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

Former Member — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:08:19 GMT

I don't care who touched first. Who tripped the timing device first? If you are going to touch it like a baby, you don't deserve to win. if you dont care ok ,but a judge on this mach if knowing rules are might be, the name of the sport is swimming,not boxing,not wrestling....it is all about race,and the winer is the one who came on finish first....and in this race that man is cavic

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

rtodd — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:28:47 GMT

RE: Omega says Cavic touched first

rtodd — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:24:38 GMT

I don't care who touched first. Who tripped the timing device first? If you are going to touch it like a baby, you don't deserve to win.