Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

Former Member — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:36:55 GMT

Movies are shot at 24 frames per second and look continuous to the human eye, thus we know the eye can't discern a difference of 1/24 = 0.04 seconds. I'd say anything under 0.1 seconds looks pretty much simultaneous to the human eye. The USS Swimming standard for backup timing cameras is a minimum 100 frames per second. I'm not sure what the olympics used. 102.16.2.B.(1) Back-up timing cameras recording a minimum of 100 images per second. The cameras must be fully integrated with the timing system.

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

funkyfish — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:42:00 GMT

Actually…I touched first! There, problem settled, move on :) (I didn't say which race…)

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

Former Member — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:00:02 GMT

What ever happened to a two handed touch??? and disqualification for not touching both hands together.

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

knelson — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:17:50 GMT

In other news Cavic doesn't believe man ever walked on the moon. :banana:

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

Former Member — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:07:28 GMT

That would be assuming he did touch first. An assertion not supported by the slo mo underwater stills and video. He is in effect claiming it was not an error of .01 but of .02

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

ande — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:01:57 GMT

Touch pads are triggered by a pressure of something like 3 kilograms per square centimenter, Phelps applied 3 kilograms per square centimenter of pressure before Cavic did. Phelps hit with force, Cavic glided in & lifted his head just before touching. it's possible Cavic touched first or they tied, it was so close.

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

Former Member — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:48:47 GMT

Unfortunately for Cavic, a fellow Cal Golden Bear, touching the pad first is not the same as activating the pad first, as I believe Ande pointed out previously.

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

knelson — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:06:21 GMT

I'm also wondering how much of a time difference is perceptible. I could imagine that a 0.01 second difference in hands touching would look simultaneous to a land judge (if there wasn't flash photography). Movies are shot at 24 frames per second and look continuous to the human eye, thus we know the eye can't discern a difference of 1/24 = 0.04 seconds. I'd say anything under 0.1 seconds looks pretty much simultaneous to the human eye.

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

mattson — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:51:11 GMT

What ever happened to a two handed touch??? and disqualification for not touching both hands together. I saw that in the picture as well, but at least to me it looks like both hands are touching (although one is touching more than the other). I'm also wondering how much of a time difference is perceptible. I could imagine that a 0.01 second difference in hands touching would look simultaneous to a land judge (if there wasn't flash photography).

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

Former Member — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:29:35 GMT

what next, his touchpad was thicker than mine? my lane was .0001" longer than his?

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

Former Member — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:58:22 GMT

sportsillustrated.cnn.com/.../content.5.html Someone needs to show Cavic this photo.

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

Michael Heather — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:31:42 GMT

Nor are the ones who lost by .001 second in the 1970s. Cavic had the race to lose, and did. He stopped kicking and picked up his head before touching the wall. Even 10 year-olds know better.

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

gobears — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:17:40 GMT

Lame. Dara, and every other swimmer since touch-pads were invented who lost by .01, don't seem to be whining like this...

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

tjrpatt — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:01:47 GMT

True, but people inside swimming know that Holland cost Phelps a silver medal in the 4 X 100 Free Relay. Thanks for reminding me because I totally forgot. I knew that Australia didn't get second in that relay.

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

Frank Thompson — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:53:00 GMT

People outside swimming probably don't know that South Africa cost Phelps a gold medal in the 4 x 100 free relay. True, but people inside swimming know that Holland cost Phelps a silver medal in the 4 X 100 Free Relay.

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

tjrpatt — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:46:13 GMT

"Wah! I touched first!" "Wah!"

RE: Milorad Cavic: "I did touch the wall first" in Beijing

tjrpatt — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:41:15 GMT

No one would know who he was if he did. You wouldn't have been talked about on 60 minutes and Sports Illustrated if you really touched first. You get a blurb about keeping Phelps from 8 gold medals. People outside swimming probably don't know that South Africa cost Phelps a gold medal in the 4 x 100 free relay. Also, the touchpads said something different.