TECHSUITS BANNED (again): AP article on FINA ruling

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Former Member — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:50:40 GMT

I've got a world of respect for Mary Descenza because she's stuck with a sport that keeps breaking her heart, but no way does she do the swim she did this morning without the suit.

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Former Member — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:02:44 GMT

Above this, about 6 paragraphs, there's "...The women cannot cover the shoulder, knee dramatically,..." WTH does "cover the knee dramatically" mean? :confused: No sequins? :D

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Former Member — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:21:26 GMT

"The recognition of textile will be chosen by Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. The definition of this will be available on the 30th of September." Three months for the manufacturers? Which means ... Rules will apply in 2010, but FINA has yet to decide exactly when in 2010. This lack of specificity raised questions by journalists as to why FINA cannot set a strict deadline, and whether there is any guarantee as to them sticking to this. I can see this being dragged out. FINA responded – "you will have to trust us". Huh?

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Former Member — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:21:05 GMT

Does anyone know how to translate FINA's permeability standard ("80l/m2/second") into familiar fabrics? I think an old-school lycra suit is much more permeable than, say, a Tracer Light. As written it sounds like they would want to see 80 liters of water flow through 1 square meter of fabric per second. I think no suit with a rubber-like coating will pass this test. 80 liters is about 20 gallons. I think this test would have to specify some amount of stretch in the fabric too - an unstretched fabric would have smaller pores and pass less water through it.

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Former Member — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:33:41 GMT

Does anyone know how to translate FINA's permeability standard ("80l/m2/second") into familiar fabrics? I think an old-school lycra suit is much more permeable than, say, a Tracer Light.

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Former Member — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:19:02 GMT

There are unisex suits on the market now.

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Jim Clemmons — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:44:28 GMT

Check out the last paragraph here - www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/.../21861.asp Maybe this is what Rowdy is referring to: "FINA also aims for a unisex costume for men and women, but will maintain for now what the governing body has decided. Then, FINA will work in the future to decide on this matter and what's best." Above this, about 6 paragraphs, there's "...The women cannot cover the shoulder, knee dramatically,..." WTH does "cover the knee dramatically" mean? :confused:

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Former Member — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:24:55 GMT

At least the body suit can be worn through short course season in 2010; bring it to Atlanta - then kiss it goodbye. Who really knows what FINA will do?

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dadis — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:49:57 GMT

Biedermann says it all after beating Phelps today. "The suits make a difference," Biedermann said. "Last year, it was Speedo. This year, it's Arena." The difference should be the swimmer. Ban the tech suits.

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Former Member — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:45:00 GMT

Rowdy Gaines has been talking about FINA allowing shoulders to knees for guys (twitter.com/.../2891543952). I tend to believe Rowdy but I haven't seen anything confirming it yet.

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Former Member — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:18:12 GMT

Latest I have here www.reuters.com/.../idUSTRE56R42H20090728 Some men are getting belly buttons removed and placed on their heads.

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beireland — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:15:18 GMT

I'm just waiting to see what the unisex turns out to be--other than a really bad idea.

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Former Member — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:05:56 GMT

Did FINA announce this morning that shoulder to knee suits will be allowed for men?

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Tim L — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:53:45 GMT

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Chris Stevenson — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:37:15 GMT

Did FINA announce this morning that shoulder to knee suits will be allowed for men? I don't think so. www.swimnews.com/.../7117

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Former Member — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:29:22 GMT

I contacted the USMS to clarify swim suit regulations over a month ago. No response.

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Former Member — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:22:58 GMT

USMS automatically follows FINA unless the board votes not to(which they did after FINA outlawed the B-70 in a very ambiguous way.) I don't have any inside info but I suspect USMS will follow FINA if the rule seems fair.FINA can say they don't care about Masters,but then 2 min later they may change there mind so the safest thing to do is follow FINA rules(stupid as they may be.) It would be best for USMS to implement the changes in May of 2010 after SCY season. Those swims do not matter in terms of FINA records and switching the rules in the middle of the season is always a bad idea.

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Former Member — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:59:48 GMT

All of us at the Tech Suit Bashers Club Of America (TSBCA) "Blew out all the candles on the cake" and our wish came true! :applaud: The first thing on the agenda at the next meeting of the TSBCA is to urge FINA to go back to the suits used in the 1980s and 70s. Dolphin 2

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Allen Stark — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:10:44 GMT

Hello Masters Swimmers: Do we have the official wording that this regulation also applies to Masters Swimmers? Who can we contact? I think they should exclude Masters Swimmers. Is there any ideas of how to try not to include us. Myriam USMS automatically follows FINA unless the board votes not to(which they did after FINA outlawed the B-70 in a very ambiguous way.) I don't have any inside info but I suspect USMS will follow FINA if the rule seems fair.FINA can say they don't care about Masters,but then 2 min later they may change there mind so the safest thing to do is follow FINA rules(stupid as they may be.)

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knelson — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:36:54 GMT

I would have preferred a more strong governance model, with FINA setting the specs and standards, and the mfg'ers having to pay for the "proof" to submit a suit for approval, subject to audit of course. It's worked with other sports that have gone through similar technical innovation threats, such as golf. In the past my position was to do away with the tech suits altogether--so basically what FINA actually did--and I still think this will be OK, but I do agree with what you're saying. I think FINA at least had a start with their new testing protocol. Obviously it wasn't perfect, but I think with some tweaking they could have come up with something that would still allow for innovation, yet still keeping things fair. I do have to admit the new suits have added excitement to the sport. It hasn't always been positive, but it's been excitement.

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Former Member — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:53:32 GMT

Swim53 all is not lost. With the right seamstress and sewing machine they can be altered to fit short legged people. It has been done with neck to ankle suits that have been damaged. A suit was altered to make it just above the knee. In fact I know of a swimmer who has had her suit repaired this way, It cost her $20.00.

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Former Member — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:35:50 GMT

..l. even the playing field. Wouldn't that be nice? An even playing field. Too bad there is no such in any sport, no matter what suits are or are not allowed. Even if they do decided to ban the tech suits, the playing field won't be close to being even. The one's that have access to the better coaching(coaches, trainers, stretchers,etc) better facilities, better teammates will still be ahead of the game. Regulate the suits better but don't ban them.

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Former Member — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:26:09 GMT

Ban them all. even the playing field. no more full body suits in the pool.

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Former Member — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 06:32:04 GMT

Although it appears I am in the minority lets ban them all ON EVERY LEVEL. Time to go back to the classic suit (circa 1992?).

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orca1946 — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:55:56 GMT

What a mess !!!