FINA says Dubai Charter doesn't apply to Masters

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Former Member — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:07:24 GMT

There are 2 pictures a Jonny Weismueller' swim suits here. Will they take his goldmedal back becuse his Olympic suit does not Qualify??? www.britannica.com/.../American-swimmer-Johnny-Weissmuller-who-won-three-gold-medals-at

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Former Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:40:17 GMT

How true is this statement now. What a waste of time spent on anticipation of what FINA is going to say or do. I think there still will be no concrete decision. They will be testing for a very long time.

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Former Member — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:44:05 GMT

Difference is each thread fibre is coated, teflon was not bonded to one side. You might not have insulated, centrally heated houses where you live, but we've had them since at least 1912 here. And thanks for posting the definition of lycra! Gosh, I've only made about 23 suits out of it, so I would never have known what it was if you hadn't posted that link! :rolleyes: (I prefer Chloroban. Less squirmy under the presser foot.) The Darlex stuff held water because it had a teflon film bonded to one side. Like Goretex. It was intended to be a waterproof stretch fabric, but was just a little too stretchy when completely wet.

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orca1946 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:46:04 GMT

I used Ripple in the 70's :D Not to wear unless you spilled it !:bolt:

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Former Member — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:52:23 GMT

My swim fins made of rubber float to the top, I guess it depends on who makes the rubber. I have several swim suits that were made for me and they have vulcanized rubber seams and they float like a cork. They were made for the bicycle guys to ride races in. We removed the padding and changed the fabric to the New Lycra which is teflon coated. The bike guys now wear them in bike races. I thought it only floated if they inject bubbles and make a foam of it. :confused: Otherwise it's a solid block of synthetic rubber. Like my Zoomers, which sink straight to the bottom of the deep end when I'm trying to take them off in a hurry.

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Former Member — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:41:53 GMT

I met the local masters swim coach last night at a childrens development meet. She asked how I was doing and said that in four years. She said you have only been to 2 practicesin the 4 years, how come? I told her I hate doing the workouts they want me to do. She replied that everyone would like me to comeany way. I told her the workouts interfear with my schedule of vacations to Mexico. Oct 15 to March 15. How can I compete with my vacation cycle. I think I've seen previous numbers that indicated 15-20% of registered members actually compete.

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Former Member — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:32:13 GMT

Ripple not Darlex they are 82% Polyester / 18% Lycra Darlexx www.absoluteastronomy.com/.../Spandex This site also talks about swim wear www.absoluteastronomy.com/.../Swimsuit :whiteflag::whiteflag: Did you sew them in Calgary in the winter with frozen fingers??? I am afraid your sewing skills must not have been too good. If constructed right they should have been waterproof but not hold water. You might not have insulated, centrally heated houses where you live, but we've had them since at least 1912 here. And thanks for posting the definition of lycra! Gosh, I've only made about 23 suits out of it, so I would never have known what it was if you hadn't posted that link! :rolleyes: (I prefer Chloroban. Less squirmy under the presser foot.) The Darlex stuff held water because it had a teflon film bonded to one side. Like Goretex. It was intended to be a waterproof stretch fabric, but was just a little too stretchy when completely wet.

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Former Member — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:53:19 GMT

...Neoprene floats even if it only 30% neoprene. I thought it only floated if they inject bubbles and make a foam of it. :confused: Otherwise it's a solid block of synthetic rubber. Like my Zoomers, which sink straight to the bottom of the deep end when I'm trying to take them off in a hurry.

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Jim Clemmons — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:29:57 GMT

As Chris pointed out, we are approx 50k strong now. Generously 50% compete?? Fifty percent don't even make it to practice let alone compete! :D I only have figures for Potomac Valley but for the SCY season that just ended, only 13.2% competed. And a large zone meet was even hosted within our LMSC. If the zone meet was not in PV, I would hazzard a guess of no more than 10% of the swimmers participating in meets. I think I've seen previous numbers that indicated 15-20% of registered members actually compete.

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Former Member — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:45:05 GMT

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jroddin — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:17:11 GMT

You can look at this as a basic business model. 30,000 USMS active members, generously 50% compete (15,000), 20% own a tech suit (3,000) you buy a tech suit every 18 months (1,200 annually) a suit costs $400 retail ($200 whsl) that's $240k revenue... As Chris pointed out, we are approx 50k strong now. Generously 50% compete?? Fifty percent don't even make it to practice let alone compete! :D I only have figures for Potomac Valley but for the SCY season that just ended, only 13.2% competed. And a large zone meet was even hosted within our LMSC. If the zone meet was not in PV, I would hazzard a guess of no more than 10% of the swimmers participating in meets.

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Former Member — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:24:13 GMT

...They were made for the bicycle guys to ride races in we removed the padding and changed the fabric of the New Lycra which is teflon coated. The bike guys now wear them in races. Teflon film coated lycra? That sounds like Darlex. That's definitely not permeable. I made a knee-length suit from it last year, thinking it would be warm for early season open water swims. When I got out from the first swim, I had two big cantelope-size blobs of water sloshing around the outside of my legs from where the water in the suit ran down and met the elastic hem on the legs. Quite funny, actually.

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Former Member — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 05:14:23 GMT

What a waste of time spent on anticipation of what FINA is going to say or do. I think there still will be no concrete decision. They will be testing for a very long time. The real culprit here is they are allowing neoprene suits. Neoprene floats even if it only 30% neoprene.

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Former Member — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:46:37 GMT

QUOTE=jroddin;183721]Unless they can see the writing on the wall? And if anybody out there can make out the writing, please let us know! FINA has been very quiet lately. Too quiet! Actually, the spoke yesterday. They announced they would release the retest list on June 22, after the paris open. They were going to do it the day before the meet but were asked by the french federation to wait until after the meet.

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Former Member — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:31:55 GMT

Will FINA officially address masters then I wonder? It should be any day now. My sources tell me that someone has pointed out to them recently that master's exist.

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jim thornton — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:55:53 GMT

Unless they can see the writing on the wall? And if anybody out there can make out the writing, please let us know! I can just barely glimpse it in the mirror. They appear to have used some kind of red ink to write the message on the wall, and frankly, it doesn't make any sense to me. It says: REDRUM

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rodent — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:40:19 GMT

QUOTE=jroddin;183721]Unless they can see the writing on the wall? And if anybody out there can make out the writing, please let us know! FINA has been very quiet lately. Too quiet!

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rodent — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:04:30 GMT

You can look at this as a basic business model. 30,000 USMS active members, generously 50% compete (15,000), 20% own a tech suit (3,000) you buy a tech suit every 18 months (1,200 annually) a suit costs $400 retail ($200 whsl) that's $240k revenue. Split that between Speedo, B70 and TYR (not to mention Jaked, Finis et.) Each player gets about $800k annually. Pays reps, sponsored athletes, promotions and advertising to the USMS audience. There is no cash to be made here. Between USA, High School and College, not to include summer league (a debate on another thread) There your tech suit potential is about 15X the USMS number. The manufacturer's will stick to the legal suits and keep all the markets supplied. I would guess that if you included the world Masters market, it might be 10 times the US market. If it is even 50,000 and 25,000 bought $400 tech suits, that would be 10 million retail. Someone will make tech suits for our specific requirements, if things go that way. It is really to early for me to worry about that. I want to know what tech suit I can wear NEXT WEEK!

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jroddin — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:20:36 GMT

I think there could be a difference in investing in the R&D for new suits specifically geared toward masters, but continuing to produce the currently in production "banned" suits might be a different story. I don't see why B70 would stop producing the Nero if there's still a market for it. Unless they can see the writing on the wall? And if anybody out there can make out the writing, please let us know!

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knelson — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:10:43 GMT

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Former Member — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:16:12 GMT

I did swam sans B70 last weekend... When I first read this post...well, never mind.

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Patrick W. Brundage — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:29:19 GMT

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The Fortress — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:28:49 GMT

When I first read this post...well, never mind. Haha. I still engaged in the covering up of the body.

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The Fortress — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:49:08 GMT

Actually, the spoke yesterday. They announced they would release the retest list on June 22, after the paris open. They were going to do it the day before the meet but were asked by the french federation to wait until after the meet. Excellent! I can definitely swim with a B70 and a clear conscience on the 21st then. I did swam sans B70 last weekend and did not even drown. Will FINA officially address masters then I wonder?

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Patrick W. Brundage — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:22:10 GMT

Just found this blog entry by David Guthrie, which captures well how I feel about blurring the line between USS and USMS: www.floswimming.org/.../5124-emerge ... I really hope that eventually (say, within a year), USS and USMS will have united suit rules. Good post by Mr. Guthrie. I second your hope for a unified suit policy, provided it is clearly articulated and objectively measurable.