TYR Aquapel tights -- legal?

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Former Member — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:23:20 GMT

If you wish to cheat and not follow FINA rules, go for it. Just stop the whinning. Geek doesn't like that. Did I say anything about going against fina rules? No. My complaint is about people wanting us to go back to briefs/jammers. I have no problem using textile suits(ie. none-b70 style suits) that waist to ankle or shoulder to ankle. I don't undestand that logic behind whole "swim in jammers/briefs" only logic. People want to say, "let's take swimming back to a techi based sport" I always thought that swimming is still that way, along with every other sport out there....but that's just me. Why do you not like suits covering the body?

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Former Member — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:50:09 GMT

It seems like a small,but vocal group of "purists" are getting usa swimming and fina to slower move us backwards to briefs/jammers only for men and tanks for women....geez...welcome back to yester year If you wish to cheat and not follow FINA rules, go for it. Just stop the whinning. Geek doesn't like that.

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Former Member — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:42:01 GMT

As I’ve said many times before, the whole tech suit issue may be summed up like this: kcfac.kilgore.cc.tx.us/.../can of worms.jpg :blah: Dolphin 2

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Former Member — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:07:52 GMT

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swimshark — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:43:28 GMT

Patrick, If you are swimming in a Masters-only meet, you can wear whatever you want. If you are swimming in a USA Swimming meet, you can wear anything on the approved list. Anything not on the approved list must have been introduced before 2008 and must not go past the knee for men. So, if you're swimming in a USA Swimming meet, you might not be able to wear it. But I suppose it depends on whether or not the officials are really watching and monitoring this. Aquapels are pre-2008 so you should be safe.

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Former Member — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:25:29 GMT

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Former Member — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:03:33 GMT

Did I say anything about going against fina rules? No. My complaint is about people wanting us to go back to briefs/jammers. I have no problem using textile suits(ie. none-b70 style suits) that waist to ankle or shoulder to ankle. I don't undestand that logic behind whole "swim in jammers/briefs" only logic. People want to say, "let's take swimming back to a techi based sport" I always thought that swimming is still that way, along with every other sport out there....but that's just me. Why do you not like suits covering the body? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- With regard to the last statement, my personal gripe is that the sensation of swimming in a suit that covers my entire body is totally gross. Furthermore, the sensation of wearing a tight fitting suit covering my entire body for an out-of-the-water activity is also a hassle. For me, the new techy swim and athletic suits are just a return to the "Hot & Sweaty" days of P.E. If I wanted to swim faster by using a mechanical aid, I'd forget about using a so called "speed suit" and just put on a pair of hand paddles. :2cents: Dolphin 2

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Chris Stevenson — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:39:56 GMT

With regard to the last statement, my personal gripe is that the sensation of swimming in a suit that covers my entire body is totally gross. Furthermore, the sensation of wearing a tight fitting suit covering my entire body for an out-of-the-water activity is also a hassle. For me, the new techy swim and athletic suits are just a return to the "Hot & Sweaty" days of P.E. If I wanted to swim faster by using a mechanical aid, I'd forget about using a so called "speed suit" and just put on a pair of hand paddles. :2cents: Dolphin 2 The "keep swimming pure" argument is so persuasive, it should be applied not just to other sports, but to all aspects of life. I can think of many ways in which mechanical aids have cheapened everyday endeavors. Just a few: -- automatic transmission should go b/c it isn't "real" driving; -- dish washers and washing machines cheapen the thrill of cleaning; -- riding mowers likewise have completely altered one of life's biggest joys. And of course there is the biggie: -- elevators should be limited only to those in wheelchairs or who need other walking aids. We have enough able-bodied, obese people in this country; let them take the stairs.

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Former Member — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:41:39 GMT

The B70 lacks the LZR-like fancy compression girdle that makes the Jaked so obscenely fast. I thought it was the swimmer's training, work ethics, technique, and bla bla bla that made one fast. Can the B70 and Jaked swim by themselves?

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orca1946 — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:02:21 GMT

So,will speedo fast skin be legal for masters meets next year?

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Former Member — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:53:19 GMT

I remember that Q & A. However, I also recall Rob Copeland saying masters could wear suits that were being re-tested. Such a statement would appear to exclude suits like the Jaked 01 that were flat out rejected. I don't recall the exact language ... have to look it up. There was never a list of what was rejected and what is being retested. The Jaked and the B70 are in the same boat. Both were previously approved and used in competition and now both did not make the fina approved list. Having seen both recently, they look the same. Except one says Jaked on it. The Q&A from usms www.usms.org/.../20090601swimsuits.pdf And the Original statement from usms. forums.usms.org/showthread.php

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The Fortress — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:50:40 GMT

I thought it was the swimmer's training, work ethics, technique, and bla bla bla that made one fast. :blah::blah: I've always said the suits are fast, Stillwater. Never disputed that. I've just maintained that is not the only thing behind fast times and that you can't necessarily attribute all improvement to a tech suit. That should hardly be a revolutionary or controversial position.

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funkyfish — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:54:53 GMT

Where is it stated that it can't go past the knee for men? I thought that was something John Leonard wanted to go back too. This link may speak to the "go past the knee" issue. Curious… www.universalsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml :D

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Former Member — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:49:15 GMT

But it would for times swum since the approval list was issued, right? They'd accept times from earlier in the year? You can, however, get FINA TT times during USS meets. What about the Jaked 03? This was one of the 10 suits rejected by FINA, right? If so, how can this be worn at USMS meets like it was at Mission Viejo last weekend? I thought USMS had only said you could wear suits that were submitted for re-testing and that they had confirmed B70s were submitted for re-testing. The Jaked 01 legal for USMS meets for now. But wearing a drag suit over your speedo is not. Go figure. 4. Question: How will this impact Masters competitors? Answer: That suit you bought after September 30, 2007, is legal at this moment, but it could be reconsidered by the USMS Rules Committee after the next FINA-approved swimsuit list is published.

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tjrpatt — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:38:19 GMT

Where is it stated that it can't go past the knee for men? I thought that was something John Leonard wanted to go back too. It might be stated on your regional USA-Swimming website. It is stated on the Mid-Atlantic website.

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Former Member — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:22:59 GMT

So you think FINA will reject all times prior to USMS officially confirming that they are adhering to the list of approved suits? I do.

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Former Member — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:10:10 GMT

Patrick, . If you are swimming in a USA Swimming meet, you can wear anything on the approved list. Anything not on the approved list must have been introduced before 2008 and must not go past the knee for men. . Where is it stated that it can't go past the knee for men? I thought that was something John Leonard wanted to go back too.

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Former Member — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:07:33 GMT

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The Fortress — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:16:56 GMT

There was never a list of what was rejected and what is being retested. The Jaked and the B70 are in the same boat. Both were previously approved and used in competition and now both did not make the fina approved list. Having seen both recently, they look the same. Except one says Jaked on it. The Q&A from usms www.usms.org/.../20090601swimsuits.pdf And the Original statement from usms. forums.usms.org/showthread.php Thanks! The B70 lacks the LZR-like fancy compression girdle that makes the Jaked so obscenely fast.

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Gail Roper — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:08:45 GMT

I'm not sure what FINA will do. They might reject any records or times recorded in any meet worldwide that doesn't accept their list of approved suits. These will be times set between the date the list came out and the date the governing body accepts their list.

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The Fortress — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:07:14 GMT

The Jaked 01 legal for USMS meets for now. But wearing a drag suit over your speedo is not. Go figure. I remember that Q & A. However, I also recall Rob Copeland saying masters could wear suits that were being re-tested. Such a statement would appear to exclude suits like the Jaked 01 that were flat out rejected. I don't recall the exact language ... have to look it up.

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The Fortress — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:12:56 GMT

No, the Jaked01 was rejected. The Jaked03 is on the approved list. Sorry, I meant to refer to the Jaked 01.

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The Fortress — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:06:13 GMT

There is a chance that FINA will do that. You can't set any Masters WR in a USS meet. But it would for times swum since the approval list was issued, right? They'd accept times from earlier in the year? You can, however, get FINA TT times during USS meets. What about the Jaked 03? This was one of the 10 suits rejected by FINA, right? If so, how can this be worn at USMS meets like it was at Mission Viejo last weekend? I thought USMS had only said you could wear suits that were submitted for re-testing and that they had confirmed B70s were submitted for re-testing.

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Gail Roper — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:04:01 GMT

There is a chance that FINA will do that. You can't set any Masters WR in a USS meet.

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The Fortress — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:58:15 GMT

If you swim a WR time in a Masters meet will Fina accept the time for top ten or record? I think not...........wear what you want. So you think FINA will reject all times prior to USMS officially confirming that they are adhering to the list of approved suits? What about masters times swum in USA-S meets? Those will be thrown out too because they're masters times that would be submitted by USMS?