Legal fly? - Calling P. Wolf

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Former Member — Fri, 29 May 2009 12:13:46 GMT

groundnotes.files.wordpress.com/.../june6_2005mmm.jpg That's the first time I have seen geek in months. The new diet is doing wonders for him.

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Former Member — Fri, 29 May 2009 11:45:29 GMT

I thought it was more like a courtship in the deep south... :D The women that I am attracted to wear less make-up than geek.

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pwolf66 — Fri, 29 May 2009 08:09:10 GMT

The women that I am attracted to wear less make-up than geek. groundnotes.files.wordpress.com/.../june6_2005mmm.jpg

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pwolf66 — Fri, 29 May 2009 04:52:34 GMT

If you do a 3-4 beat kick in the fly, you still have to stay "on the surface" so that means if you kick 3-4, then you can't submerge your head, is that true? Yes, the swimmer's head must break the surface of the water by the 15m mark and some part of the swimmer's body must remain at or above the surface of the water at all times after that with the exception of right before the turn or the finish.

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Former Member — Thu, 28 May 2009 15:03:33 GMT

The banter between the two of you is most enjoyable to read - one of my favorite things on the forum. :) I thought it was more like a courtship in the deep south... :D

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Former Member — Thu, 28 May 2009 12:53:06 GMT

...but Paul at zones you swam the last 20 of your 100 fly standing up... :D Stud...you are mistaken...it was only the last 10 yds at zones.

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Former Member — Thu, 28 May 2009 12:11:18 GMT

DQ a 7/8 year old. The only reason Geek wants to DQ a 7-8 year old, is because he is jealous that they have a faster reaction time off the blocks than he does. If he didn't tower over them, they would destroy him the way king kong destroyed nyc

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Gail Roper — Thu, 28 May 2009 11:37:29 GMT

If you do a 3-4 beat kick in the fly, you still have to stay "on the surface" so that means if you kick 3-4, then you can't submerge your head, is that true?

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elise526 — Thu, 28 May 2009 10:25:52 GMT

Your use of a hairy creature to make a point is somewhat ironic. The banter between the two of you is most enjoyable to read - one of my favorite things on the forum. :)

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Former Member — Thu, 28 May 2009 09:28:31 GMT

It is almost a humiliation that I ask this question. Can someone post the USA Swimming link or adequately describe the legal butterfly. I have a brewing situation with 3 fly kicks to 1 fly pull. It sure looks odd but I don't know if it is technically legal. Geek, there was an Australian butterflier named O'Neill that you may have heard of who used the three-beat kick with her fly. It seemed to work pretty well for her, so who knows... I always use the three beat kick for swimming 100 and 200 fly and a competitor in my age group has told me he uses four beats.

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aquageek — Thu, 28 May 2009 08:46:11 GMT

If he didn't tower over them, they would destroy him the way king kong destroyed nyc Your use of a hairy creature to make a point is somewhat ironic.

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pwolf66 — Thu, 28 May 2009 08:23:52 GMT

...but Paul at zones you swam the last 20 of your 100 fly standing up... :D No, not true, at least a Zones. Nats on the other hand.................. :bow: :bow: :bow:

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aquageek — Thu, 28 May 2009 04:51:01 GMT

Geek - You really aren't going to be too hard on those poor little kids are you? No, I don't plan on being unduly harsh, more interested in the fly rules given this unorthodox stroke.

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orca1946 — Thu, 28 May 2009 03:49:28 GMT

I tell our swimmers to slow it down when tired & do more kicks. This will get them onto 100 & 200 fly sets.

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Former Member — Wed, 27 May 2009 12:30:43 GMT

Go back and re-read the rules as it pertains to body position and you'll have your answer. It's because Free is the only stroke that does not specify body position, either rotated towards the back (Back) or rotated towards the *** (*** and Fly). So in those three strokes, if a swimmer stands up, is that swimmer's body position clearly rotated to the correct position? Nope, unfortunately not. ...but Paul at zones you swam the last 20 of your 100 fly standing up... :D

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elise526 — Wed, 27 May 2009 11:35:50 GMT

I actually use this "legal fly" trick to get my swimmers to swim more fly than they think possible in practice sessions. Dolphin kick and take a full butterfly stroke only when you need a breath! Yes, it is perfectly legal. I can say that I have personally used this legal fly technique. #1 - Boldly planned when I swam a 200 fly at the Rose Bowl Meet last SC season. #2 - In an effort to "float the fly" at the end of the 1st leg of a 400IM - (actually have done this several times!) I like this! I was kind of thinking the same thing today when I did a 100 fly.

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elise526 — Wed, 27 May 2009 11:33:38 GMT

DQ a 7/8 year old. Geek - You really aren't going to be too hard on those poor little kids are you?

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pwolf66 — Wed, 27 May 2009 07:48:41 GMT

Very helpful, thanks. I found it interesting that you can stop and stand on the bottom in free without getting DQ'd but not in the other strokes. Go back and re-read the rules as it pertains to body position and you'll have your answer. It's because Free is the only stroke that does not specify body position, either rotated towards the back (Back) or rotated towards the *** (*** and Fly). So in those three strokes, if a swimmer stands up, is that swimmer's body position clearly rotated to the correct position? Nope, unfortunately not.

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pwolf66 — Wed, 27 May 2009 07:46:23 GMT

You just thought you had your target all lined up, didn't you. Sorry to :badday: Remember the only stroke that has a defined arm pull/kick requirement is Breaststroke. The other 3 do not specify any correlation between arm pulls and kicks. So someone swimming Fly, Back or Free can do it all arm pulls or all kicks, as long as the other stroke requirements are met.

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aquageek — Wed, 27 May 2009 06:59:28 GMT

What's "tossing your first 7/8"? :confused: DQ a 7/8 year old.

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Ahelee Sue Osborn — Wed, 27 May 2009 06:59:26 GMT

The short answer is you can take as many kicks per stroke cycle as you want. I'm pretty sure you could technically do legal fly without ever doing a pull (as long as you surface by the 15 meter mark). Ande and Leslie could probably beat most of us using this technique :) I actually use this "legal fly" trick to get my swimmers to swim more fly than they think possible in practice sessions. Dolphin kick and take a full butterfly stroke only when you need a breath! Yes, it is perfectly legal. I can say that I have personally used this legal fly technique. #1 - Boldly planned when I swam a 200 fly at the Rose Bowl Meet last SC season. #2 - In an effort to "float the fly" at the end of the 1st leg of a 400IM - (actually have done this several times!)

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Jim Clemmons — Wed, 27 May 2009 06:58:05 GMT

Very helpful, thanks. I found it interesting that you can stop and stand on the bottom in free without getting DQ'd but not in the other strokes. I am a bit disappointed as I was looking forward to tossing my first 7/8 this Summer. I guess that's what you'd call "free to stand". :cool: What's "tossing your first 7/8"? :confused:

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aquageek — Wed, 27 May 2009 06:54:23 GMT

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knelson — Wed, 27 May 2009 06:24:11 GMT

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Jim Clemmons — Wed, 27 May 2009 06:22:15 GMT

Just for reference, here's the link to the entire Rules and Reg's page for USA Swimming. www.usaswimming.org/.../DesktopDefault.aspx